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In order to walk the way that robot walks, your robot will need a pelvis. That allows the hips to pivot in a couple directions, which is essential.<br /><br />- Jon<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=373">JonHylands</a> — Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:02 pm</p><hr />
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really interesting info - i'm not going to pretend much make sense, but on a simplistic level it's interesting to study the mpg files frame-by-frame to see how the joints move - with a view to translating similar movement over to the hobby 'bot.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=346">plingboot</a> — Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:50 am</p><hr />
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A friend of mine, subscribes to <a href="http://www.biomch-l.org/" class="postlink">http://www.biomch-l.org/</a> and showed me this thread yesterday, ( I was going to just post the takeanishi URL, but is it better to quote Massimiliano fully?)<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div><br />Dear All,<br /><br />        There is a robot capable of solving the mechanical <br />        singularity of the stretched knee: <br />        <a href="http://www.takanishi.mech.waseda.ac.jp/research/wabian/index.htm" class="postlink">http://www.takanishi.mech.waseda.ac.jp/research/wabian/index.htm</a><br />                <br />        Suggested readings: <br />        Human-like Walking with Knee Stretched, Heel-contact and <br />        Toe-off Motion by a Humanoid Robot<br />        Yu Ogura; Kazushi Shimomura; Hideki Kondo; Akitoshi <br />        Morishima; Tatsu Okubo; Shimpei Momoki; Hun-ok Lim; Atsuo <br />        Takanishi<br />        Intelligent Robots and Systems, 2006 IEEE/RSJ <br />        International Conference on<br />        Volume , Issue , Oct. 2006 Page(s):3976 - 3981<br />                <br />        Development of a new humanoid robot WABIAN-2<br />        Yu Ogura; Aikawa, H.; Shimomura, K.; Kondo, H.; Morishima, <br />        A.; Hun-ok Lim; Takanishi, A.<br />        Robotics and Automation, 2006. ICRA 2006. Proceedings 2006 <br />        IEEE International Conference on<br />        Volume , Issue , May 15-19, 2006 Page(s): 76 - 81<br />        <br />        and related references.<br />        <br />        Kind regards<br />        Massimiliano <br />        <br />        <br />         Takanishi Lab - <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.takanishi.mech.waseda.ac.jp/">http://www.takanishi.mech.waseda.ac.jp/</a><!-- m --><br />          RoboCasa - <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.robocasa.net">http://www.robocasa.net</a><!-- m --><br />        <br />        ---------------------------------------------------------------<br />        Information about BIOMCH-L:             <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.Biomch-L.org">http://www.Biomch-L.org</a><!-- m --><br />        Archives:     <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://listserv.surfnet.nl/archives/Biomch-L.html">http://listserv.surfnet.nl/archives/Biomch-L.html</a><!-- m --><br />        ---------------------------------------------------------------<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />I have been looking for papers relating to bipeds to help me understand the basics of things like: biped balance, ZMP, COM and inverse kinematics, and came across this excellent masters thesis. (I have found no reference to Felix or Jupp on  Robosavvy but he may be known to some of you?) .<br /><a href="http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~faber/Learning_Fast_Bipedal_Locomotion.pdf" class="postlink">http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~faber/Learning_Fast_Bipedal_Locomotion.pdf</a><br /><br />Heres an quotes from Felix Faber's work:<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div><br />Furthermore, ZMP-controlled gaits result in ’bent-Knee’ motions in order to<br />avoid inverse kinematic singularities. These motions do not look natural and<br />place significant limits on the types of walking styles that can be produced.<br />In contrast to ZMP-based approaches my approach does not require an accu-<br />rate model of the robot and the environment. The approach presented here<br />does also not rely on highly precise controllers for following precomputed<br />joint trajectories, but works with low-cost servo-motors. As no dynamic<br />equations of motion have to be solved, this approach has a low computational<br />complexity. Using the gait presented in this thesis, a more human-like mo-<br />tion is possible using straight legs for walking, compared to the ’bent-knee’<br />motions of ZMP-controlled gaits.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />Interesting stuff <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />Its a bit beyond me at the moment,(understatement!)  but I hope this post is useful for some of you involved in tackling some of the more challenging aspects of biped development?<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=663">NovaOne</a> — Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:04 pm</p><hr />
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