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English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-02T06:16:18+01:00

PaulP wrote:
O.K.

I've seen it a hundred times where people get told to read the instructions properly and guess what, I've become one of those people..

I'm one too...

I put the robot in the corner to stop it from distracting me and read all the different english versions of the documents I've come across.

Firstly, I mistook the Trim Dialog for the POS dialog when looking in the Japanese manual. This meant that none of my trims were set right.

Ouch! 8O
That must have been fun.

Now he can do all the sample motions properly except walk.. He toppples over but that is going to be just fine adjustment...

Getting the home position set right can be a little tricky. It's more sensitive, and more critical, than most people think when they first start with humanoids.

Also, it helps if you use a smooth, flat, level work surface. Early on I spent a couple hours trying to get my first KHR-1 set right - and thought it was perfect - only to have it fall down as soon as I turned it around and tried walking. It turned out that my desktop was tilted...

Secondly, Scenarios.. Its where you can make a macro of several different movements to be played in sequence... I get it now.... and I have 4 different ones I can make S1, S2, S3 and S4.. It makes sense...

They can be very useful, especially for putting together long motion sequences.

Thirdly, the little switch, Im assuming the links next to it allow you to extend it outside the cover to make it easier to access. Still not spotted the bit in the software where you can assign it a motion but I'm sure I'll find it at some point..

I don't recall where it shows up in the manual. It's probably in the extended manual (Japanese) that covers setting up the remote control, gyro and acceleration sensors, etc.

Thanks to all for assistance and sorry to be posting outside the proper location...

No problem.

I've still yet to get to grips with who is who and where in the world you all are. Myself I'm in U.K.

I'm in Chiba, just outside of Tokyo.

I've also noticed that some of the posters are from people who run this forum and the shop... Your efforts are much appreciated..

The forum and shop belong to Limor. The rest of us are just devoted robot fans that try to help each other out whenever we can.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:16 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-02T04:40:37+01:00

If I said that to her I would spend the next month sleeping with the robot on the sofa....

Statistics: Posted by PaulP — Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:40 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-02T04:37:41+01:00

hehe ask her if she can fix it she wil come back with a resounding no then say well till then leave me alone and let me work on it.... ( can ya tell I am not merried)

Statistics: Posted by zaboomafuu — Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:37 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-02T03:47:39+01:00

O.K.

I've seen it a hundred times where people get told to read the instructions properly and guess what, I've become one of those people..

I put the robot in the corner to stop it from distracting me and read all the different english versions of the documents I've come across.

Firstly, I mistook the Trim Dialog for the POS dialog when looking in the Japanese manual. This meant that none of my trims were set right. Now he can do all the sample motions properly except walk.. He toppples over but that is going to be just fine adjustment...

Secondly, Scenarios.. Its where you can make a macro of several different movements to be played in sequence... I get it now.... and I have 4 different ones I can make S1, S2, S3 and S4.. It makes sense...

Thirdly, the little switch, Im assuming the links next to it allow you to extend it outside the cover to make it easier to access. Still not spotted the bit in the software where you can assign it a motion but I'm sure I'll find it at some point..

Thanks to all for assistance and sorry to be posting outside the proper location...

I've still yet to get to grips with who is who and where in the world you all are. Myself I'm in U.K.

I've also noticed that some of the posters are from people who run this forum and the shop... Your efforts are much appreciated..

Statistics: Posted by PaulP — Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:47 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-02T03:30:36+01:00

PaulP wrote:
Thanks for that tempusmaster

You're welcome.

Very new, even here in Japan.

I was a bit daunted by that fact when I first decided which one to buy. Think I made the right choice for me though..

It is a good choice. Almost all of the KHR-2HV information also applies to the KHR-1HV, with very few exceptions. There will be a lot more information available very soon.

I'm not sure what you're referencing. Could you post a manual page reference, photo, or screenshot?

I will locate the reference and post it so you can see

Okay. I'll watch for it.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:30 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-01T17:12:15+01:00

Thanks for that tempusmaster

Very new, even here in Japan.

I was a bit daunted by that fact when I first decided which one to buy. Think I made the right choice for me though..

I'm not sure what you're referencing. Could you post a manual page reference, photo, or screenshot?

I will locate the reference and post it so you can see

Thanks again

Statistics: Posted by PaulP — Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:12 pm

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-01T07:56:38+01:00

PaulP wrote:
Mine is the new KHR-1HV...

So far there have been little or no posts about it, a bit new...

Very new, even here in Japan.

Its different from the others in that it uses the RCB3 not the RCB3J as does yours which is why I posted where I did.

Except for the added DOF and KRS-4024HV shoulder servos, the KHR-1HV is basically the same as the KHR-2HV. For the KHR-1HV Kondo switched from the RCB3J to the RCB3 because of the different shoulder servos since the RCB3J doesn't support all of the 4000 series functions.

Although I have a different robot, because of the board type I end up in the same conundrum.

There is probably some other reason.

I also experienced the problem you had about not seeing saved motions in the list but it appears you have to read them first. They dont automatically appear.

They are saved in the robot controller (RCB3) and aren't automatically retrieved by H2H3 unless you tell it to by using the table function.

Still havent worked out how to get to the other 2 banks of motions yet.

I'm not sure what you're referencing. Could you post a manual page reference, photo, or screenshot?

BTW what is the tiny little switch on the board for? cant find a reference to it in my documentation..

Switch 1 - the small push button switch? You can setup H2H3 (and H2H3J) to map a scenario to the button. You depress the button for around 3 seconds then the scenario starts execution. It's typically used for demonstrations, like the 2 minute autonomous demonstration phase in the ROBO-ONE competitions.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:56 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-01T02:05:37+01:00

Mine is the new KHR-1HV...

So far there have been little or no posts about it, a bit new...

Its different from the others in that it uses the RCB3 not the RCB3J as does yours which is why I posted where I did. Although I have a different robot, because of the board type I end up in the same conundrum.

I also experienced the problem you had about not seeing saved motions in the list but it appears you have to read them first. They dont automatically appear.

Still havent worked out how to get to the other 2 banks of motions yet.

BTW what is the tiny little switch on the board for? cant find a reference to it in my documentation..

Statistics: Posted by PaulP — Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:05 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-02-01T02:00:22+01:00

slashsplat wrote:
Make sure to post in the KHR section, the folks there are wizards on that little fellow.

Since the leg orientation is better (allowing a MUCH deeper squat), and primarily bending in the same rough way, you would think that a set of comparative values could be developed to CONVERT the 1 files to 2. Even if the application of adjustment was proportional, the files are plain text, and if a formula could be derived, it could be applied to i files programmatically to create files for 2... Certainly someone has dealt with this...

In theory it could certainly be done.

In practice, it's more complex than it seems. The KHR-2HV, KHR-1HV, and MANOI AT01 all use the same basic software (H2H3 or H2H3J) and controller (RCB3 or RCB3J). But their geometry, home positions, servos (hence operating range, speed, torque, etc.), setups (the AT01 has some servos setup in reverse mode), and in some cases their DOF are different.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:00 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-01-31T20:27:21+01:00

Make sure to post in the KHR section, the folks there are wizards on that little fellow.

Since the leg orientation is better (allowing a MUCH deeper squat), and primarily bending in the same rough way, you would think that a set of comparative values could be developed to CONVERT the 1 files to 2. Even if the application of adjustment was proportional, the files are plain text, and if a formula could be derived, it could be applied to i files programmatically to create files for 2... Certainly someone has dealt with this...

Statistics: Posted by slashsplat — Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:27 pm

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-01-31T20:19:50+01:00

BTW, you may have guessed Im new to this and my other half is giving me major grief about spending so much cash on something that cant even run the samples.

Statistics: Posted by PaulP — Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:19 pm

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-01-31T20:17:47+01:00

Hi SlashSplat

I've just run into the same issue with my new KHR-1HV. The files seem to be written for the KHR-1 whcih had the 'shin servo' in a different orientation. Ive tried to adjust servos 13 and 19 by about 190 steps to get a seemingly correct position but because there is a hip rotation joint and it is taller, the C of G is so far off it falls over. Also the speed settings are so fast, always set to very low numbers, it just has no chance.

Ive set the speed to 30 and it did improve but still C of G is killing it.

To be honest I came on for the same reason you did, to try and aquire some 2HV files which suit the taller robot and hope to adjust for the additional channels.

Statistics: Posted by PaulP — Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:17 pm

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-01-15T04:57:20+01:00

http://robosavvy.com/Builders/slashsplat/

I have a zip there of all the files I could find. The names have been changed for EVERY item in the files, as well as the filenames. (Most all.)

Also, find pix of my MANOI!

Statistics: Posted by slashsplat — Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:57 am

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-01-06T21:37:48+01:00

Please see my post under CALIBRATING...

http://robosavvy.com/modules.php?name=F ... opic&t=921

I am really confused.

Statistics: Posted by slashsplat — Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:37 pm

English Versions of the Kondo/Manoi *.rcb files anyone?

2007-01-04T06:11:14+01:00

slashsplat wrote:
robolearn wrote:When centrering the servos, do you mean disconnecting all the arms from the white outputs, and then setting to 0 in the heart to heart software?

I HOPE NOT! I just hooked them all up to one channel and set the channel to 0. Some spun a bit, some just hummed. Then I hooked up all the arms/horns with the armature in that spot, using whatever indexing the manual said...

Was that right guys??

Sounds right.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:11 am