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Firmware 2.09 v2 2.15 observation

2009-04-18T23:30:39+01:00

Hi Guys,

I observed that if I reverted to firmware 2.09 from 2.15 the remocon started to respond with eratic movement in 2.09 as opposed to the red error light in 2.15.

I guess the best way to determine what to try is to compare the steps taken by i-Bot to configure and save his motions and execute via the remocon. If he can state which firmware and software versions he used, also which project type he chose. If after all and my own persist to misbehave I would lean towards a manufacturer flaw in the controller.

Thanx

Mark

Statistics: Posted by Raymond — Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:30 pm

Another point

2009-04-18T21:48:19+01:00

Hiya,

The serial# on the back of the controller this is only necessary when you register on the controller. download page and not necessary or even writable when we create our own project/motions correct?

This is the only part I don't get in the creation process. Lastly I followed the steps to register the remocon by pressing the middle Red button and it does as documented causing the leds onthe controller to flash so it's registered. Just thought I'd mention that to show compliance with those steps.

Even if I send the message packet replicating the msg the remocon would send I get the same effect which is now a red light error onthe controller when I attempt to activate the saved motion 1.

Thanx for your willingness to help really appreci any ideas and guidance.

I have focused on writing all the software interfaces for Bioloid (AX/RX servos on CM5/CM2+) ,Kondo, Robobuilder, Puolou controllers based on what was documented and tested with single servoc configurations, now the final steps are to create the motion and fine tune so this hiccup is most frustrating!

Mark

Statistics: Posted by Raymond — Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:48 pm

Custom

2009-04-18T21:32:21+01:00

Hiya Pedro,

Yes I set to custom/expert and it tests successfully with respect to creating the motions and saving however the remocon behaves eratically. Now witht eh upgrade fo the firmware using 2.15 from Robobuilders site the remocon produces only a Red light error when I press Button 1 as I only saved one motion to the controller. I reverted back to motionbuilder 1.19 as the one on my CD was v1.0 which is pretty old.
Once again I must emphasise in motionbuilder it nehaves as expected it's the saved motion on the controller that is behaving weirdly. I did try three other project variants even one where it shows all the servo dials in aplane row by row fashion. What confuses my mind int he zero posture saying cant write failure. I have a funny suspicion that the software tools are not designed to manage morethan 16 servos and while I can create motions in 18 servos it's not being called properly. I want to confirm this is the case and if so I can bugger the tools and manually create my motions talking directly to the servos which is crap and doing it the hard way... but better than floggin a dead horse with these tools.
Sorry for the rambling but this thing is really annoying me now lol

Mark

Statistics: Posted by Raymond — Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:32 pm

Zero capture

2009-04-18T21:23:33+01:00

Hi Raymond

Are you using the Robot in what platform?
HUNO, DOGY, DINO or CUSTOM?

I think that to be able to use 18DOF you need to set the platform to CUSTOM.

In the manual, it has instructions on how to switch between the various platforms.

I know forum member iBot has added 2 more DOF to his Robobuilder as well, modified the base motion files for Huno and got his robot walking successfully.

Pedro.

Statistics: Posted by PedroR — Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:23 pm

Further diagnostics

2009-04-18T20:57:35+01:00

Hi Again,

I tried applying the firmware 2.15 that was supposed to be the version I had on the control box but to just try and see if it would have any effect, and it did, now when I presss the remocon instead of freaking out the effor led lights up, which seems to imply the motion file is not being saved properly altho the motion builder said it was. Is this motion builder 1.19 buggy? should I use the version supplied with the CD?
I will try that and report back, I'm usually weary of betas but I thought since I saw no negative feedback on the 1.19 I'd go to the latest.
BTW my Zero post never gets to save on the robot, I can read the zero posture from the controller and write, but everytime I try to create a zero pose and save it says write failure. Any1 experience this ?

Mark

Statistics: Posted by Raymond — Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:57 pm

Custom Huno - addendum

2009-04-18T07:33:36+01:00

Hi Guys,

I should state more details about the software I was using, MotionBuilder 1.19 and firmware 2.15. Also Only the orange light is on PF2 when I attempt to use the motion via the remocon. Hope you can offer some guidance ... thanx

Mark

Statistics: Posted by Raymond — Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:33 am

non standard Huno with odd motion playbck

2009-04-18T07:18:45+01:00

Hi Guys,

I had the nutty idea to add in a new degree of motion totalling with 18 servos instead of 16 for the Huno. The diagnostic tool verifies all is assembled and working. I configure the motion and it tests well in the MotionBuilder and saves too with success. However when I try to execute the saved motion with the remocon or otherwise the robot has a fit and moves till it locks up. What should I try?

Thanks

Mark

Statistics: Posted by Raymond — Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:18 am

Zero capture

2009-02-11T19:55:46+01:00

It's very easy

- login
- from your user menu (left bottom), click on "File Manager (new)"
or
- login
- from your user menu (left bottom), click on"My Files"
- and then, from the File Manager, click on "Upload files"

An then copy the URL where you have uploaded your picture. If you copy the url inside the tags:

Code:: [img]your_url[/img]

the picture is showed in the post

Statistics: Posted by siempre.aprendiendo — Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:55 pm

Zero capture

2009-02-11T16:53:52+01:00

how do i post pictures i forgot how to [/list]

Statistics: Posted by theodorehip — Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:53 pm

Zero capture

2009-02-11T14:56:46+01:00

i will post photos

Statistics: Posted by theodorehip — Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:56 pm

Zero capture

2009-02-10T16:46:01+01:00

Mine worked first time ! No zero capture was required, it took about 1.5hr to build.

One thing to check is that you haven't built the mirror image - thats throws it off (i.e. swapping left and right). How about posting some photos of the assembled robot ?

Statistics: Posted by l3v3rz — Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:46 pm

Zero capture

2009-02-10T15:07:22+01:00

theodorehip wrote:
like in my first paragraph i built it six times.

Yeah, but that's what my customer said too

I'm just saying, based upon my own experience building these, and based upon others who I've talked to, if everything is assembled correctly, they just work. I didn't even have to align/adjust either of the humanoids I built.

Triple check the servo orientation and the servo shaft angle.

Also, you should have green and blue lights on the RCB pack. Orange or Purple are the wrong modes.

Statistics: Posted by Tyberius — Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:07 pm

Zero capture

2009-02-10T14:24:14+01:00

like in my first paragraph i built it six times.

Statistics: Posted by theodorehip — Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:24 pm

Zero capture

2009-02-10T01:06:57+01:00

Agreed with Pedro here, I had a customer call up explaining the exact same symptoms, swore up and down that he had assembled it perfectly.... he sent it to us to diagnose and there were servos installed backwards, in incorrect locations, and an entire lower leg installed backwards.

Not saying you've done this, just double and triple check your build. Every servo must be aligned and installed properly.

I've built 2 Robobuilder humanoids myself, and have heard from others building them as well. If everything is built properly you don't even have to align or set zero position, they just work.

Statistics: Posted by Tyberius — Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:06 am

Zero capture

2009-02-10T04:09:34+01:00

hi theodore

I would like to help you but I couldn't really understand your explanation.

1) What do you mean by "hitting itself"? the robot was descoordinated and when it walked, the servos bumped into each other?

2) I don't understand what you mean by "i tried the home button it all the joints went the there extremes"

If the servos seem descoordinated then it is probably and assembly problem.
On the Robobuilder CD there are some videos about how to assemble the robot and about the errors that may occur during assembly and how to fix them.
The videos show the incorrect behaviours of the robot and explain how to fix them.

You may want to start there, before going into setting the home position.

Also, there is a tool on the robobuilder website (robobuilder.net) called "Robobuilder diagnostics tool".
You need to register on the site (robobuilder.net), then login and go to the download page. You will find that tool there.
Please download it and run and see if it reports any error.

Pedro.

Statistics: Posted by PedroR — Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:54 pm