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KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-07-03T19:54:25+01:00

When I registered my KHR-2 on the kondo-robot.com site there is a comment area where I pleaded for a HeartToHeart3 in English, trumping up how much robot business they are missing out on in the USA as there are no humaniod competitors. So if you do register make sure to mention the need. I used Babblefish to translate.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Statistics: Posted by zulu — Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:54 pm

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-07-07T13:05:09+01:00

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for your efforts on your website! I stopped at the same point you did this saturday...servo calibrate. Working from the japanese manual was not that difficult. All the screw types where identified and the illustrations where well done. I have software installed on my computer that will translate kanji from my clipboard. I am able able to copy and paste the text in the PDF file and translate the important bits and pieces. It does not always work well though. It looks like I will purchase the ICS servo manager to set the servo limits on some of the critical locations, just to keep them from hitting the chassis during extreme motion. I agree with you with respect to the excellent customer service from Matt and Tom Fisher at Roboporium. They go out of their way to keep the customer happy!!! They do rock! Now on to the RCB-3J manual...ugh!

EDIT - Found the ICS manager inside of Heart-to-Heart v3.0
http://robosavvy.com/modules.php?name=F ... =2544#2544

Rick

Statistics: Posted by rrdiaz30 — Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:14 pm

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-07-03T01:45:37+01:00

Hi Jerry,

You've certainly been busy and done a really good job as well. I've only just reached page 37, but what you've done is great. I was jus going overlay the text back on top of the JPEGs and create a new PDF.

I've been so caught up in the translation that i haven't even got started on the KHR2 yet. Hopefully i'll get a chance to get started this afternoon as i've taken the day off.

Do you know if anyone has translated the software manual yet and how easy is it to use the heart to heart software with GUI in japanese?

Thanks for what you've done so far and i look forward to the rest.

Statistics: Posted by TinMan — Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:45 am

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-07-02T22:47:07+01:00

Hey tinman, I see you've been working on the manual too! I hope it's going well. I've posted a "how-to" assembly guide, you can review it here: http://70.90.186.20/index.htm
It's stopped at the Calibrate servos part - haven't made much progress on that part of the manual, are you doing any better? Have you started assembly?
Why not take a few minutes to review what I've done, and let me know what you think? After I figure out the calibration process, I'll finish it up.(in truth, I've already fully assembled, but haven't powered it up because I've not got the calibration done). ttyl jerry

Statistics: Posted by Jerry — Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:47 pm

Have a KHR-2HV

2006-06-23T20:29:15+01:00

I have purchased the KHR-2HV from Yamasaki San who was on our booth at RoboCup2006 in Bremen bringing the KHR-2HV from Japan.

The Body is a bit higher than the KHR-1 due to the new brackets. (They are available as spare parts for anyone who wants to "update" the KHR-1.)

Basically it is the same robot. The benefit is the new RCB-3 board with analog in. The disadvantage is the 10,8 V mini battery with 300mAH. I needed to buy a 220V charger for 70 EUR because 9 cells are very uncommon. The included charger is - again - only 110V. As soon as my charger is being shipped I can tell how long the KHR-2HV will run with the standard battery. There is an 800mAH 10,8V battery available in the shop, I believe we need this.

I have the 12 V power supply unit which comes handy but has cables to the KHR-2HV of course and they are no fun while he is doing siderolls.

Perfomance is similar to KHR-1, the legs move better, he can make bigger steps. They come closer to the body when standing up, this is good.
Other than that I do not see a big difference. Is more an update than a big release.

My robot did some hundred siderolls on the show and the servos are shaking a lot. Yamasaki said this is due to the high gain he has set in the servo manager for all servos to have highest torque. Hmm. Looks insane and I will reduce gain in the next days to see if shaking disappears.

Servos did not get hot at all, even being performed a whole day.
One plastic gear broke, the main gear. Luckily there is a plastic gear replacement kit. No other damages except some scratches on the chest because of falling. I think this is a very good performance.

One other thing is, the Chest looks similar to the Chest extension of the KHR-1. This is good because when he falls to the front he lands on his chest instead on his head. My KHR-1 lands on the head (face) when falling to the front.

KHR-2HV has an on/off switch. Finally.

KHR-2HV has much better mounts for the cables, very nice, very professional looking. (Still no bus like the Bioloid robot kit)

So, besides the shaking problem and small battery I start liking the KHR-2HV. Now if the manual and new Heart2Heart would be in english language, I would be happy. Limor is already working hard to translate the Heart2Heart,
regards
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:29 pm

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T12:26:16+01:00

Jerry wrote:
Hi Tempusmaster; Thanks for your feedback.

You're very welcome. It's my pleasure.

Unfortunately, while the manual is really, really good (I can build the robot from the pictures), it is unfortunate that it's all there is. Nothing about the controller, very little about Heart-to-Heart.

It does look like you could build just from the pictures. There should be something on the software though. The KHR-1 had two manuals, and the KHR-2HV with the RCB-3J is even more complex (and powerful). Perhaps they just haven't released the software manual yet.

Your suggestion about converting to a web site and then submitting for translation has some merit - I'll try that as time allows, it might be fun to see the results.

I've used that technique when I haven't had access to my regular translation software and it works reasonably well. There are a lot of other tricks like breaking up the phrases and doing a little manual pre-parsing, but they require a pretty good working knowledge of Japanese to be useful.

Working with the translator directly has been pretty fun too!

It can be, if you like wordplay. It can be hell though if you're working under a deadline....

Are you in Japan?

Yes. I've lived here for about 16 years, off and on, since 1982.

You seem to know who the players are!!!

Yes. I know some of them fairly well.

I am very excited that the sales have been so good - that means that the blogs will get populated soon. For anyone else reading this thread - My supplier told me today that they are down to just a few units left, and they aren't expecting another manufacturing run till after September. He also said they were quite suprised at how fast they went through them. My serial number is under 20, so I got in early. I guess you should either get yours right away, or plan on waiting for a little while.....

There was tremendous interest at the KHR-1 event, and there's been a lot of promotion in the Japanese robot related press. The KHR-2HV is going to do very well.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:26 pm

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T06:45:45+01:00

Its good to see that the units are moving fast.

I might have to get a KHR-2 seeing as there is so much activity unlike the khr-1 with crap software.
Looking forward to seeing what kool things people will be able to do

Statistics: Posted by onesandzeros — Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:45 am

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T05:00:56+01:00

Hi Tempusmaster; Thanks for your feedback.
Unfortunately, while the manual is really, really good (I can build the robot from the pictures), it is unfortunate that it's all there is. Nothing about the controller, very little about Heart-to-Heart.

Your suggestion about converting to a web site and then submitting for translation has some merit - I'll try that as time allows, it might be fun to see the results. Working with the translator directly has been pretty fun too! Are you in Japan? You seem to know who the players are!!!

I am very excited that the sales have been so good - that means that the blogs will get populated soon. For anyone else reading this thread - My supplier told me today that they are down to just a few units left, and they aren't expecting another manufacturing run till after September. He also said they were quite suprised at how fast they went through them. My serial number is under 20, so I got in early. I guess you should either get yours right away, or plan on waiting for a little while.....

Statistics: Posted by Jerry — Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:00 am

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T03:01:13+01:00

Jerry wrote:
Don't know 'bout using google to translate, but it might work. We cut-n-pasted some Japanese into online translation engines - not very good results, but I'm certainly into trying

A lot depends on the writing style. Some people are very easy to translate and understand, while others are a real PITB.

The online translation engines produce results of varying quality depending on the original writer's style. It's just my personal experience, but Google's translation engine seems to produce pretty poor results. Babelfish has some problems, but usually does much better than Google for technical subjects.

One approach you might try is to post the converted html on a dummy page on your blog or website, then use either the Babelfish or Google engine to translate the whole page at one time rather than doing a cut and paste bit by bit.

Another 'gottcha' is that the Japanese text in documentation is often broken into separate lines for formatting reasons or to fit captions under photos or illustrations. This plays havoc with the translation engine since it wants to see complete word groups or sentences in order to do it's work properly. I usually have to edit the Japanese text back into it's proper order/format before I can get something sensible out of the translation engines.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:01 am

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T02:46:10+01:00

Jerry wrote:
Hi there. You can see the manual here:

http://www.clanparker.com/temp/khr-2hv.pdf

(to Moderator - sorry in advance if this violates rules, just pull and let me know if it's a problem)

Don't know 'bout using google to translate, but it might work. We cut-n-pasted some Japanese into online translation engines - not very good results, but I'm certainly into trying

Thanks. That's a big help.

The manual is a huge improvement over the KHR-1 manual. I love the photos, the little highlighted robot icon at the top, and lots of small features like the alignment marks on the frame parts (legs). Assembly should be much, much easier.

Is this the only documentation? It stops right when things just start to get interesting. I was hoping there would be much more on the RCB-3J, especially using the software and creating motions/scenarios/etc.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:46 am

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T02:18:09+01:00

TinMan wrote:
Hi Jerry,

I have found a site that advertises the manuals in english and japanese but they aren't answering any of my emails.

http://www.nodna.com/shop.365.0.html

I just checked, and the nodna site says:

Be aware that there are only a few accessories currently available. Be also aware it is a new product and there is no or only very few english documentation! You cannot use the 6V servos or electrical components, sensors of the KHR-1 for the KHR-2HV.

This noDNA might be able to help.

I think that tempusmaster is also after this info. I did find another site that had english manuals but have lost the info somewhere.

I did manage to find one other site so far that mentioned English manuals for the KHR-2HV, but when I emailed them the response was that the manuals and software are still being translated by their source for the kits in Japan. They're currently being told the translation will be finished around the end of June.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:18 am

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-20T00:44:53+01:00

Hi there. You can see the manual here:

http://www.clanparker.com/temp/khr-2hv.pdf

(to Moderator - sorry in advance if this violates rules, just pull and let me know if it's a problem)

Don't know 'bout using google to translate, but it might work. We cut-n-pasted some Japanese into online translation engines - not very good results, but I'm certainly into trying

Statistics: Posted by Jerry — Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:44 am

ADOBE PDF to HTMl converter.

2006-06-19T23:29:32+01:00

Hi Jerry,
if you post me link to your PDF i can send it to this site below who will translate the doc in HTML

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/a ... tools.html

It's then just a case of running it through google and let them do all the hard work.

What do you think???

Statistics: Posted by TinMan — Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:29 pm

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-19T23:12:15+01:00

Hi Jerry,

You don't hang around do you??

I'm still waiting for my KHR-2HV to arrive, but i've been told it should be here by the end of the week. So i'm hoping you've made some more progress by then.

can you send me a link to your PDF so i can have a look and maybe decipher some of it before mine arrives..

I have found a site that advertises the manuals in english and japanese but they aren't answering any of my emails.

http://www.nodna.com/shop.365.0.html

I think that tempusmaster is also after this info. I did find another site that had english manuals but have lost the info somewhere.

Good luck with the translation and if there's anything you need a hand with , just ask.

regards TinMan

Statistics: Posted by TinMan — Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:12 pm

KHR2HV - has anyone tried one yet?

2006-06-19T20:13:17+01:00

Thanks for the follow up posts. I've made some progress...

OK - got the manual and software working, and started the translation, but there's still a long way to go. Stupid as I am, I tried a bunch of character sets, and found out that the problem was that Windows couldn't recognize the file because the name got trashed during load (due to the japanese translation) Simple enough fix (thanks to my son), simply rename the file and presto!

Use windows Control Panel->Regional and Language Options->Languages->Install Files for East Asian languages, and you'll get the correct Japanese character set. Then the manual will display correctly. Software is still not translating right, it looks like parts of it are Japanese coded, and parts of it expect Japanses file structures. Still working on that. What is coded in the app woks ok, and part of it is Japanese and part english. (Wierd, they coded buttons and controls in english, but everything else is katakana)

Assembly will be pretty straight forward, there are good pictures and it explains everything well, but the calibration and powerup sequences are the real challenge. I'm learning a lot about translation, because the manual uses Katakana for most of the assembly, which is all phoenetic, so the translator needs a good technical background to be successful. For example, Sah-Boa-Lee-Dah (Servo Lead) or Lay-Due-Join-Toe (leg joint). Translator got the phoenetic, I had to supply the actual word. The Startup part is all Hiragana or Kanji (I'm not sure if I'm saying or spelling this correctly), which has no direct translations, so it'll take some time. If anyone wants a copy of the Japanese PDF, I can put it on an FTP site, let me know.

If anyone has source code for Heart-to-Heart, I can translate that into english pretty easily (it is all Katakana) provided it VB6 or C++ or something I'm familiar with. (I'm guessing it's one of those). Also if anyone has a link to the manual in english, I'd love to find it. Per my supplier, Kondo will have one "real soon now"..

Also, if anyone has any info on the controller? Love to know what's in there....

I'm going to focus on the startup part of the manual for now. Hope to have something next weekend.

J

Statistics: Posted by Jerry — Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:13 pm