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Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2008-10-05T03:21:13+01:00

The info in this thread really helped us figure out the complex remote control system from Kondo. We have documented how we got through the process as part of our Build Report on the KHR-1.

You can check out our instructions on wireless hardware and the software to make it workhere

Statistics: Posted by RobotServicesGroup — Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:21 am

Re: wireless works now!

2008-08-09T21:08:12+01:00

Although we are more than 2 years late to the party on the KHR-1, we're trying to get our wireless set up figured out. We've almost got it nailed, thanks mostly to this thread. There was one thing we wanted to mention. Earlier in this thread noDNA wrote:

noDNA wrote:
The main reason why it did not work for months was:
NEVER USE H2H V1.1 (english version)
Although it does not report an error the wireless settings in the Remot control menue are NOT transmitted to the RCB-1 board. You can notice this because there is no PROGRESS BAR appearing.

Through some blind stumbling around we actually figured out how to get the English version of Heart to Heart v1.1 to work in setting up a wireless remote. When you are in the optional controller set up screen in H2H and you click on the computer shaped icon (called "Organize List" in the software) to write your commands to the robot, a confirmation screen pops up saying "Do you write current control assignment?". If you click the "Yes" button, nothing happens. As noDNA states, the progress bar at the bottom doesn't move. However, if you click the "No" button, it works! The progress bar fills from left to right, and you can then use RCB Commander to control the robot wirelessly. I guess whoever wrote the software in English got the "Yes" and "No" buttons mixed up in the code! Silly, huh? In any case, the good news is that you can use the English version, as long as you remember to click "No" on that one confirmation screen.

Once we get through all of the set up, we will document the process in English for future users of the RCB Commander, KRR-1 and KRT-3.

Statistics: Posted by RobotServicesGroup — Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:08 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-05-15T20:33:24+01:00

Oh my god!!!!!!!!!! DNA you're the man.
THIS HAS SOLVED ALL MY BLUETOOTH PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been trying to get my bluetooth working for 2 weeks now.
It drove me totally mad because there was no reason whatsoever for it not
to be working right.
I was using version 1.1 english

The faders worked, even teaching worked. The problem was that i couldn't
download or upload any gaits to/from the rcb-1 with the bluetooth solution.
Now it all works with H2H version 1.3!!!

I can't believe it was the software, archhh
Now Kondo has to translate this version pronto!

DNA my man, i'm so happy

I've spend €75 on the bluetooth solution and it all works now!
A lot cheaper and much faster than Kondos low speed radio solutions imho.

Statistics: Posted by Meltdown — Mon May 15, 2006 8:33 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-05-15T17:04:53+01:00

I have H2H V1.3 here:
www.nodna.com/fileadmin/download/forumi ... rt_1R3.rar

I have no idea at all about the differences of V1.1, V1.2, V1.3
Just that V1.1 did not download the remote commander settings.

regards
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Mon May 15, 2006 5:04 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-05-15T16:14:53+01:00

H2H 1.3?
Kondo lists only version 1.1 and 1.2

Statistics: Posted by Meltdown — Mon May 15, 2006 4:14 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-05-15T08:25:15+01:00

Yes, I am
Cheers
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Mon May 15, 2006 8:25 am

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-05-14T19:32:33+01:00

Thanks for the info.
By the way, do you have anything to do with Olaf Schirm ?

Statistics: Posted by inaki — Sun May 14, 2006 7:32 pm

wireless works now!

2006-05-14T13:20:29+01:00

Dear all wireless enthousiasts,

I now achived finally to get to work:
KRT-1 wireless control unit
KRT-2 27mHz wireless control
KRT-3 USB wireless control.

For all german users: I did a german language instruction manual which guides your way through the depths of hardware wireing, H2H software setup and RCB commander software setup.

The main reason why it did not work for months was:
NEVER USE H2H V1.1 (english version)
Although it does not report an error the wireless settings in the Remot control menue are NOT transmitted to the RCB-1 board. You can notice this because there is no PROGRESS BAR appearing.
I tested H2H 1.3 and now it works. Did not test 1.2.

Currently I can trigger embedded motions with the KRT-2 but I cannot control servos directly as it should do. I dig into this deeper now as it generally works.

I guess the KRT-3 remote is using the same quarzes than KRT-1 which is the 25MHz bandwidth and not officially allowed here in Germany. KRT-3 uses the same receiver than KRT-1 called KRR-1.

KRT-3 comes with USB Stick and can be used as ICS Servo Programmer which comes handy and saves money,
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Sun May 14, 2006 1:20 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-05-01T09:12:39+01:00

As posted earlier by ninja, it is important to switch the left-hand-side switch to 'on'.
Here's a bit more information regarding the high-speed/low-speed interface on the RCB-1.
(Taken from the Japanese documentation).

RCB-1 has low-speed and high-speed serial ports (see lower picture).
It also an appropriate switch setting that changes the terminal pin configuration.

When using the ICS-PC cable interface (with Heart2Heart software):
1) The cable connects to the high-speed port.
2) The pin assignment is GND(Black) RX(Red) TX(White)
3) The left switch is off

KRR-1 needs 5V power source.
To supply the VCC(+5V) to KRR-1, the left-hand side switch needs to be ON.
When using the KRR-1:
1) The additional "link cable" has to be connected as indicated in the picture
2) KRR-1 connects to RCB-1 via the low-speed serial port
3) The KRR-1 cable pin assignment is GND(Black) VCC(Red) Signal(White)
4) The left side switch has be ON

Statistics: Posted by limor — Mon May 01, 2006 9:12 am

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-04-23T17:06:29+01:00

The deffective RSC-1 should obviously be returned to Kondo.

Lets talk about the details on email.

Statistics: Posted by limor — Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:06 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-04-23T08:15:27+01:00

So, lets get things together:

The RCB Commander uses a proprietary method to transmit data which does not compare to standard Sender/receiver quarzes. There is no way to preplace these quarzes by another pair (of non-Kopropo quarzes)

The frequency bandwith of about 25MHz is not allowed in Germany, most probably not allowed in other european or international countries except Japan. Would be good to know beforehand, so taht we can add a statement in the webshop for which countries it can be used.

At least Inaki and me did not get it to work at all up to now.
Meltdown and Ninja did get it to work, so there is still hope

I would very much like to pack this item along with my KRT-2 (see other thread) and send them back to Kondo to be checked if they work at all. Why? because I spent days with an RSC sensor board, did not work, I purchased another and this works, so my first board was broken... Might be that something is broken with our remotes? Before I discard them I would give it a try to get them checked by Kondo.

Limor, do you know if they would look at the units if I send it to them
and how would the procedure be?

Inaki, did you use any other device for remote control sucessfully yet?

All the best
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:15 am

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-04-22T20:39:17+01:00

My KRT1/KRR1 kit never worked either. In my case the quartzs are AD-6 (the KRT is 25.000 Mhz; I cannot see the frequency on the KRR1).

Statistics: Posted by inaki — Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:39 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-04-22T18:39:05+01:00

noDNA wrote:
Here I have further information now:

Then, I was told the Sender frequency is always 550 Hz higher than the receiver frequency (+ band offset). In my case it is vice versa. But I cannot interchange the quarzes because one is the sender and the other the receiver.

I try to get another pair of quarzes. Won't get 25MHz ones here, but 27MHz.

Still would be interesting to know of a user whose RCB Commander works to read the quarz values beneath the label and tell me
regards
noDNA

Here is Kondo's answer:

Radio unit uses different frequency for transmitter and receiver.
AD4 transmitter: 24.985, receiver: 25.440 are correct
AD1 transmitter: 24.955, receiver: 25.410 are correct

If the frequencies are the same, the radio unit can't communicate
with each other.

strange but true..

Statistics: Posted by robosavvy — Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:39 pm

Need Help -Wireless system doesn't work-

2006-04-21T13:17:07+01:00

Here I have further information now:

First af all, the wireless band of the RCB Commander (25,xxx MHz) is a forbidden band in Germany, most probably in outher countries except Japan too.

Then, I was told the Sender frequency is always 550 Hz higher than the receiver frequency (+ band offset). In my case it is vice versa. But I cannot interchange the quarzes because one is the sender and the other the receiver.

I try to get another pair of quarzes. Won't get 25MHz ones here, but 27MHz.

Still would be interesting to know of a user whose RCB Commander works to read the quarz values beneath the label and tell me
regards
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:17 pm

RCB Commander quarz

2006-04-20T19:54:50+01:00

Ninja, Meltdown and all,
I try to get the RCB Commander (old serial version) to work with my KHR-1.
Having done my diploma again today in RCB-1, figuring out japanese manuals, looking at the thread above and others, I still do not know why my wireless connection does not work. Did all setting, works with cable, does not work wireless. Tried with RCB Commander software V1.0 and V1.1. New KHR-1. Hey I can now edit RCB Commander ini files, and guess what, low communication mode transmits with 2400 !!!! baud compared to 115kbaud (standard mode). Talking about slow communication... I even configured my Laptop COM port down to 2400 baud.

I finally unplugged both of the quarzes to have a closer look.

I have Green AD-1 labelled quarzes. Pulling off the adhesive label
the Sender quarz reads: ICL S24,955 FM
the Receiver quarz reads: ICL R25,410

Hmm, I would have expected to read the same frequency. Are your quarzes identical, or is this a valid range? Might it be that I got a "mondays production" with two different quarzes?

I have a KRT-2 remote control too, which does not work. Grrrrr.

greetings from Cologne, Germany
noDNA

Statistics: Posted by noDNA — Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:54 pm