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<updated>2015-08-13T18:19:13+01:00</updated>
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<title type="html"><![CDATA[RoboSavvy R&amp;D • Reverse engineering + control of mini self-balacing scooter]]></title>

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Here at Robosavvy we really enjoy making self-balancing robots.<br />Robots like our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inAPGi_3dCc" class="postlink">human greeting robot Rickie</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnkWeM0EHY" class="postlink">Ali's gaming sidekick, FRHANK</a> were two awesome projects where we had much fun developing.<br /><br />Recently we came across a mini segway/scooter that seemed as a great starting point for a more affordable self-balacing robotic platform. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqppXNFcqXA" class="postlink">Video</a><br /><br />We just received one on our Lab!<br />IMG_20150813_173100.jpg<br />In the next weeks we'll take a closer look at it and reverse engineer all the electronics. Then we'll develop our own main board and control algorithms. How much we use from the original device and how much we are throwing to the trash will depend on its design.<br /><br />We'll start by understanding the role of the three boards, each one with its own ARM MCU, how they communicate and how the motors are controlled and driven.<br /><br />Here are some photos of the disassembly. <br />IMG_20150813_173716.jpg<br />IMG_20150813_173551.jpg<br />IMG_20150813_173523.jpg<br />IMG_20150813_173523.jpg<br />IMG_20150813_173336.jpg<br />IMG_20150813_173153.jpg<br />We'll keep you guys posted and share all the details.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=7820">vmatos</a> — Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:19 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-08-04T12:12:45+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-08-04T12:12:45+01:00</published>
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<title type="html"><![CDATA[RoboSavvy R&amp;D • Robosavvy termocouple tester]]></title>

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Robosavvy developed a board to test the thermocouples we use on the MM2X kit.<br />We used spare parts of malfunctioning boards and built this prototype. <br />It consists of an Arduino Uno, 2x K-Thermocouple-to-Digital-Converter, a heater transistor driver and a touchscreen LCD.<br />We start by heating the extruder part and sensing it with the thermocouple module. One of the thermocouples will serve as reference and the other will be under test. Using a closed loop control we stabilize the temperature of the reference thermocouple and check if the second thermocouple will behave equally.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=7978">andrefleitao</a> — Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:12 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-07-31T19:41:42+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-07-31T19:41:42+01:00</published>
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For anyone interested in using a Raspberry Pi with robobuilder - see this post:<br /><br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://robosavvy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43579#43579">viewtopic.php?p=43579#43579</a><!-- l --><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1101">l3v3rz</a> — Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:41 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-04-21T19:39:01+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-04-21T19:39:01+01:00</published>
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<title type="html"><![CDATA[RoboSavvy R&amp;D • The Making Of FRHANK - meat snack dispensing humanoid robot]]></title>

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You may have seen already some previous announcement about this.<br />Now that the Ali-A campaign is formally over, we can talk about how this project came about and how FRHANK was created.<br /><br /><div class='bbmedia' data-url='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH4X3O8Khd4' style='margin: 1px; display: inline-block; vertical-align: bottom;'><div style='width: 200px; height: 40px; border: 1px solid #999; display: table-cell; text-align: center; vertical-align: middle; font: 10px/10px Verdana; color: #555; opacity: 0.5;'><a style='color: #105289; text-decoration: none;' href='http://phpbbex.com/' target='_blank'>phpBB</a> &#91;media&#93;</div><script>if (typeof bbmedia == 'undefined') { bbmedia = true; var e = document.createElement('script'); e.async = true; e.src = 'js/bbmedia.js'; var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(e, s); }</script></div><br /><br />more info here<br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://robosavvy.com/store/services-9/f-r-h-a-n-k-classified.html">http://robosavvy.com/store/services-9/f ... ified.html</a><!-- m --><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/robosavvy/RSV-FRHANK/frhank-fridgeriders.jpg" alt="Image" /><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2">limor</a> — Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:39 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-04-16T17:00:35+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-04-16T17:00:35+01:00</published>
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The robot is currently in Germany's Hanover faire at the Infosys stand meeting and greeting people.<br />It is currently doing face recognition and welcoming people to the stand.<br />It has an on-board i7 computer, 30+ Robotis servos, Segway style platform, oculus rift link to his head stereo cameras.<br />He can read badges and recognized and categorize faces..<br /><br /><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/robosavvy/sets/72157651922178795" class="postlink">http://www.flickr.com/photos/robosavvy/sets/72157651922178795</a><br /><br /><img src="http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8747/17134742312_52e5dc9d01_c.jpg" alt="Image" /><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2">limor</a> — Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:00 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-03-19T12:02:23+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-03-19T12:02:23+01:00</published>
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Hey Limor!!<br /><br />Build info??? Got some sort of log somewhere? Hardware, control system, software? Haven't seen anything on the Asimo thread in a while...<br /><br />Take Care,<br />Paul<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=741">PaulL</a> — Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:02 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-03-10T15:04:39+01:00</updated>
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<img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8564/16517956599_8364f4d799_h.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150310-robosavvy-debuts-3d-printed-segway-riding-robot-in-barcelona.html">http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150310- ... elona.html</a><!-- m --><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2">limor</a> — Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:04 pm</p><hr />
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<author><name><![CDATA[limor]]></name></author>
<updated>2015-01-09T21:59:15+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-01-09T21:59:15+01:00</published>
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<title type="html"><![CDATA[RoboSavvy R&amp;D • Re: Personal Robot]]></title>

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Really nice campaign. You must have put a lot of effort into the robot.<br />There's quite a lot of promise in the advertised Jibo style Android based speech to text and then text analysis and interfacing with various 3rd party systems.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2">limor</a> — Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:59 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2015-01-09T07:06:52+01:00</updated>
<published>2015-01-09T07:06:52+01:00</published>
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<title type="html"><![CDATA[RoboSavvy R&amp;D • Personal Robot]]></title>

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Hi everyone,<br />We are a team of robotics engineers keen on putting a robot in every home.  We thought that you may be interested in our Personal Robot campaign: <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/403524037/personal-robot?ref=card" class="postlink">https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/403524037/personal-robot?ref=card</a><br /><br />If you're at CES, please visit our booth to see the product. We're located at Eureka Park, TechCrunch Booth, Level 2, Sands Expo, Booth 75468.<br /><img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/003/101/638/7fd982ad121ef5128c7ac078654021f4_large.jpg?1420316002" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Thanks!<br />Thanh &amp; The Robotbase Team<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3322">nhanconan030789</a> — Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:06 am</p><hr />
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<author><name><![CDATA[limor]]></name></author>
<updated>2013-12-12T19:13:20+01:00</updated>
<published>2013-12-12T19:13:20+01:00</published>
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<title type="html"><![CDATA[RoboSavvy R&amp;D • Re: Building humanoid similar to Asimo and Qrio]]></title>

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I've been invited yesterday to Fox News studio tonight (MONEY with Melissa Francis) with Franky the 3D printed humanoid and Fonzie the <a href="http://bloom.bg/16cKDKS" class="postlink">twerking</a> robot and  to talk about the future of robotics.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2925308335001">http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2925308335001</a><!-- m --><br /><br />foxnews-limor-franky.png<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2">limor</a> — Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm</p><hr />
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<updated>2013-10-25T07:48:25+01:00</updated>
<published>2013-10-25T07:48:25+01:00</published>
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Any progress? It's been two months since the last post...<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2914">patkangu</a> — Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:48 am</p><hr />
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<author><name><![CDATA[Cláudio Brito]]></name></author>
<updated>2013-08-27T17:27:02+01:00</updated>
<published>2013-08-27T17:27:02+01:00</published>
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<img src="http://robosavvy.com/Builders/Cl%e1udio%20Brito/ufobot.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://robosavvy.com/Builders/Cl%e1udio%20Brito/electronics.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />We have instaled one low cost optical encoder inside the motor. This is how the signal looks like at 92 rpm:<br /><br /><img src="http://robosavvy.com/Builders/Cl%e1udio%20Brito/analog.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://robosavvy.com/Builders/Cl%e1udio%20Brito/digital.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />We intend to add 3 more so we can achieve a resolution around 1200 counts per revolution. This will allow us to do a precise speed control at low speeds.<br />Other approaches were made:<br />   1. Magnetic encoder inside the motor using hall effect sensor plus the original encoder magnet;<br />   2. Optical encoder mounted on the wheel;<br /><br /> - Option 1 resulted in a very inconstant signal, probably due to interference of the motor magnetic field;<br /> - Option 2 worked but was not the most robust alternative since any oscillations or dust in the sensor would result in bad performance. Also had a limited resolution;<br /><br />This is the analog comparator circuit used for the encoder:<br /><img src="http://robosavvy.com/Builders/Cl%e1udio%20Brito/comparator.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />About the software...<br />A Kalman filter was implemented to filter and combine information from the gyro and the accelerometer to obtain a good angle estimation.<br />The first approach used to achieve balance was a PID controller based on a static equilibrium angle and the current angle. This was a very limited approach since <br />any change on the center of mass would cause the robot to fall, but this first simple step was fundamental to see the controller behavior on the easiest case.<br /><br />So far, this is how it behaves:<br /><div class='bbmedia' data-url='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS0Ye08Uqs4' style='margin: 1px; display: inline-block; vertical-align: bottom;'><div style='width: 200px; height: 40px; border: 1px solid #999; display: table-cell; text-align: center; vertical-align: middle; font: 10px/10px Verdana; color: #555; opacity: 0.5;'><a style='color: #105289; text-decoration: none;' href='http://phpbbex.com/' target='_blank'>phpBB</a> &#91;media&#93;</div><script>if (typeof bbmedia == 'undefined') { bbmedia = true; var e = document.createElement('script'); e.async = true; e.src = 'js/bbmedia.js'; var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(e, s); }</script></div><br /><br />A more general algorithm is currently being developed, so the robot can learn by himself the equilibrium angle.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4894">Cláudio Brito</a> — Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:27 pm</p><hr />
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<author><name><![CDATA[Cláudio Brito]]></name></author>
<updated>2013-08-27T17:27:42+01:00</updated>
<published>2013-08-26T16:13:29+01:00</published>
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Electronics and 2nd floor added.We are using an arduino mega as microcontroller plus additional electronics such as motor driver, accelerometer and gyroscope.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4894">Cláudio Brito</a> — Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:13 pm</p><hr />
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<author><name><![CDATA[MOHIT JINDAL]]></name></author>
<updated>2013-08-24T05:29:23+01:00</updated>
<published>2013-08-24T05:29:23+01:00</published>
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Any Progress ? <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" />  Any Video of Walking ? <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2428">MOHIT JINDAL</a> — Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:29 am</p><hr />
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<updated>2013-08-19T10:33:37+01:00</updated>
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Hi<br /><br />Will secure it to the end of a broom stick and try it out next time I have a itch on my back <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /> <br /><br />I did try old-school fishing line (nylon) but I found it to be very stretchy, stiff to bend and not very resistant to abrasion. Also next to impossible to tie small knots.<br /><br />These new synthetic braided fishing lines seem much better. Stronger for the same diameter and better in all the mentioned aspects.<br /><br />Abrasion resistance is quite good. Even going over sharp edges in PLA (which is quite hard) I can barely see any signs of use, after almost 100k cycles.<br /><br />Definitely the way to go for us.<br /><br />Also of note, after already decided on this I saw that Shadow Hand uses the same kind of wires, albeit thicker.<br /><br />Rgds<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3133">MarcoP</a> — Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:33 am</p><hr />
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