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Re: Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2014-07-19T14:33:23+01:00

Sorry if I put in evidence this thread but I would like some advice.
I am about to buy a gyro for my ROBONOVA after the HGR01 burned.
In addition to classic GWS PG03 and HGR01, are commercially available gyroscopes compatible but slightly more "up to date"?

Thanks for any response.
landyandy

Statistics: Posted by Landy — Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:33 pm

Fantastic!

2007-01-19T03:05:16+01:00

I just installed 2 gws pg-03 gyros and I'm quite pleased with the added stability. It took some trial and error to get the gain set just right but eventually I found the sweet spot where I could still notice the gyro effect and not get the shakes.

The Gyros are now installed on top of the shoulder servos like Zembot has shown in his picture. It's a tight fit, but I managed to get some foam tape under the gyros to help reduce vibrations. Best of all the gyros are functional and hidden like the other little mods I've done.....Very nice!

Heres a picture of the work.
http://robosavvy.com/Builders/Gman/gws% ... n%2002.jpg

I drilled 2 holes in the plastic case to access the set up screws.
I've never had to adjust the gain after the initial setup, so there is no access to the gain screws except for opening up the robot's back.

Thanks to everyone who has helped by sharing their experiences.

Statistics: Posted by Gman — Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:05 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-11-18T19:40:23+01:00

Hi hivemind, thanks for your reply. Actually I tried various gain settings vs. GYROSENSE values. So far, the gain setting has absolutely no effect on the shaking.
Just for fun I removed the Gyro from the robot and mount it flat on my table, without being physically connected to the robot at all (except the cables of course ). Result...Same shaking. When the gyro was mounted on the robot, swinging the robot didn't have an effect to the Servo movements either... I'am running out of ideas.
As I mentioned before, I have two G190 and exchanged them, to exclude that the one I was using might be damaged, but nada, no cure for the issue.
I would recommend that someone changes the Robonova-I FAQ to indicate that the G190 is definitely don't work

Regards,
Sascha

Statistics: Posted by sascha — Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:40 pm

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-11-18T01:27:43+01:00

Is there a manual gain setting on the gyro itself? If that is set to max it could give you this effect.

You could always test by just applying the gyro to one servo, bring gain way down and seeing if it works on that one servo, try rotating 90 degrees and such. I honestly do not know anything about the Futaba G190, so I cant give anything more then suggestions.

It just seems to me that the GYROSENSE being 10 and 15 is very low (mine is in the range of 100-200) and that works really well for me. So my guess would be a manual setting on the gyro. I know that when I have mine set to the max it does the same.

-Goodluck!

Statistics: Posted by hivemind — Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:27 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-11-17T23:03:20+01:00

Hello,
I was buying my RN-1 together with two Futuba G190 Gyro, taped one on the shoulders and hooked it up to the controller. I guess everything is connected the way it's supposed to be (I also read the postings in this forum).

I must say that the G190 seems not to be compliant to the RN-1 firmware. The robot only shakes and whatever settings I tried (direction + sensitivity), it's not stabalizing at all.

Here is the last code I tried (thanks to H3Dude's gyro setup blog):

Code:: '======gyro code for forward-backward stability with leg shifts and arm swings====== '===================================== 'Gyroset tells both LEG servo sets to initialize 'tell gyro 1 to affect ankle and knee servos. zeros are for unaffected servos GYROSET G6A, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0 GYROSET G6D, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0 'tell both ARM servo sets to initialize 'tell gyro 1 to affect shoulder servos on each arm, again zeros are for unaffected servos GYROSET G6B, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 'gyro1=shoulder, the rest are zero for not being used... GYROSET G6C, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 'gyro1=shoulder, nada... '================================== 'Gyrodir tells leg sets direction of movement 'moves knee servo forward or back depending on direction of push, hence value of 1 'and the ankle slot is set to zero for backward movement. Yes, zero's matter here. GYRODIR G6A,0,0,1,0,0,0 GYRODIR G6D,0,0,1,0,0,0 'tell arm sets direction of movement 'moves shoulders forward or backward depending on direction of push GYRODIR G6B,0,0,0,0,0,0 GYRODIR G6C,0,0,0,0,0,0 '======================================================================= 'Gyrosense tells leg sets their sensitivity, 0 - 255. 'use this along with the gain adjustment screw on the gyro to perfect balancing GYROSENSE G6A, 0,10,10, 0, 0, 0 GYROSENSE G6D, 0,10,10, 0, 0, 0 'tell arm sets their sensitivity, 0 - 255. 'use this along with the gain adjustment screw on the gyro to perfect arm swings GYROSENSE G6B, 15,0,0, 0, 0, 0 GYROSENSE G6C, 15,0,0, 0, 0, 0

Can anybody tell me, if I need to put my G190's on ebay or is there a trick to get them working with RN-1?

Statistics: Posted by sascha — Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:03 pm

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-11-14T16:28:26+01:00

Quick question about the servo reaction to the gyro.

When i push RN1 from the front he reacts quite well - with servos resisting the force.

However, when i puch from the back there is little or no counter servo responce.

Any thoughts?

Secondly - is there a way to increase the reaction - so he thows his arms forward or backward to prevent a face plant?

Statistics: Posted by plingboot — Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:28 pm

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-23T14:19:23+01:00

hey Zembot
thats sweet, it looks really clean, iam going to follow in your footsteps.
thanks for the pic and info.

And H3dude thank you also for your "project: how to add gyros to your robonova"
It is well documented and has guided me though excellently.

Statistics: Posted by onesandzeros — Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:19 pm

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-20T05:29:24+01:00

Thanks Zembot. And thanks again to all the folks on this forum who helped me figure it all out.

Statistics: Posted by H3dude — Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:29 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-19T23:34:02+01:00

H3dude wrote:
SWEET! I'm going to try mounting mine like this. Did you run into any tricky stuff?

Only had a very minor problem with mounting the forward/rear gyro. There is not enough space for a connector on the gyro output. I carefully bent the 3 output pins into a U-shape so they point in the opposite direction. Soldered the wires directly to the pins and covered with shrink tube. Not only does it allow it to fit within the shoulder space, it made it easy to route the output wires through the rear or the RN. By far the greatest grunt work was enlarging the rectangular holes.

BTW your article - “project: how to add gyros to your robonova” was of great help.

Statistics: Posted by Zembot — Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:34 pm

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-19T01:04:37+01:00

SWEET! I'm going to try mounting mine like this. Did you run into any tricky stuff?

Statistics: Posted by H3dude — Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:04 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-19T00:17:17+01:00

I Finally got around to installing my PG03 gyros. No small feat for this newb! Everything I needed was in this thread. Thanks to all for the great info.

After some experimenting, I split the gyro covers apart and installed only the board on the shoulder servos. It does require Dremelling the rectangular holes in the shoulder plate a few mm to make them fit. So far they're working great.

Here's a pic (my first attempt at uploading a photo so I hope it works)

Once again, thanks to all the RN-1 pioneers!

Statistics: Posted by Zembot — Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:17 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-13T02:30:54+01:00

[quote="ZemBot"]I recall reading that head-hold gyros aren’t compatible with the RN-1[quote]

That is correct sir. I tried and failed with several different types of gyros from Futaba. Unfortunately we are relegated to the GWS series, or accelleromators for now

Statistics: Posted by H3dude — Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:30 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-13T01:15:41+01:00

I recall reading that head-hold gyros aren’t compatible with the RN-1? I forget the details. Also the voltage rating may be a concern. I’ve found my RN battery is typically above 6.7v after it’s charged. Not sure how that would factor.

The PG03 is priced very well at www.gwsparts.com if you decide to go that route. I’m looking forward to installing mine.

Statistics: Posted by Zembot — Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:15 am

A bit costly but oh well

2006-09-12T04:25:47+01:00

found this on tower hobbies let me know what you think Futaba GY401 Gyro w/SMM Technology http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... XVA43&P=ML

Statistics: Posted by NewBreedWarrior — Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:25 am

Gyro in Robonova-1 ?

2006-09-12T03:49:45+01:00

NewBreedWarrior wrote:
Just wondering what is special about the GWS PG-03? Was curious is their a better Gyro..or what about Tilt sensor's I know we could hook 4 of them up but it will not help if we have to keep turning them on or off and turning Gain down low. I havent purchased anything yet and was wanting to make a critical choice about this.

Hi,

I've been using the info from this web page and I almost never turn my gyros off for any move ... if the gyros are set correctly, they work pretty damn good ... I'm using two PG-03's now, but am considering switching down to just one for fore 'n aft stability ... so I can use the other gyro on another robot project ...

But visit this site and read the instructions, grab the code ... it all works well ...

Gyro Code and nfo from H3dude

Statistics: Posted by CaptKill4Fun — Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:49 am