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please help me!!

2009-11-24T16:23:52+01:00

i have followed the installation instructions on http://bioloidcontrol.sourceforge.net/ on a fedora machine, but i am getting compile errors! lots of warnings (which shouldn't matter) but still a few errors, is anybody else getting these errors? am i missing something? I noticed the sourceforge page hasn't been updated in over a year, anybody have any ideas? please help me!!! here is the error

lots of "deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’" warnings but no errors, until this...

Code:: In file included from src/commands.cpp:32: src/../include/interpolation.h:303: error: multiple parameters named ‘x’ src/../include/interpolation.h:303: error: multiple parameters named ‘y’ src/commands.cpp: In constructor ‘CCommandContainer::CCommandContainer(unsigned int, CMotionContainer*)’: src/commands.cpp:47: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’ src/commands.cpp: In constructor ‘CCommandSequence::CCommandSequence(unsigned int, bool, CMotionContainer*, bool)’: src/commands.cpp:124: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’ make: *** [src/commands.o] Error 1

Statistics: Posted by animemastr — Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:23 pm

help with ubuntu installation.

2009-09-22T22:15:45+01:00

hello Cosa,
I recently bought a bioloid comprehensive kit hoping to use your software to control it, however I run ubuntu, not windows. I am very new to robotics and need a step by step installation/ firmware loading guide. also i need to know what packages I need installed on my system for this to work. could you (or anyone else for that matter) help me out? any info on this could then be put on the bioloid controller main page under Linux installation for future reference.

please help, the bioloid was expensive (especially for a college student) and its in my room collecting dust

Statistics: Posted by animemastr — Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:15 pm

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2009-09-23T05:47:27+01:00

Hi Cosa
I can't found any link for downloading full version of your software(I mean,your motion editor software).
could you help me?

BTW:do you have any manual or user guide for it?

Statistics: Posted by robobot — Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:51 am

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2009-08-24T05:52:25+01:00

Dear COSA,

I have bought BIOLOID for my research. Your software looks quite interesting. However, it seems that it is valid for the two CUSTOM configurations (Custom Hexapod and Custom Humanoid). Could you tell us how to assemble these two custom configurations?

Recently, I have assembled the King Spider (refering to the given manual). Now if I want to use your software WHERE and HOW should I modify the program?

I am eagerly waiting for your reply.

Regards

Ranjit

Statistics: Posted by ranjit.k — Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:43 pm

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2009-07-22T05:14:59+01:00

Hey guys.. so I am trying to get this to work.. and I think I followed everything..
only thing is.. I have 22 servos in my robot and I left it at 18 to just test.. but this is what I get

Init: Communication Devices: TCP(Off), COM(On)
Initialization Complete
Error: Wrong Checksum
Error: readFromAllAx() failed.

any ideas?

Statistics: Posted by ShreddinPB — Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:14 am

Baudrate and ipopause question

2009-05-19T03:55:34+01:00

Hi cosa,

At 115, 200 B/Seg, it should be possible to send packets of 548 bits (AX12_DATA_WRITE_TOTAL) every ~5 ms. getting the reply of the same length then 10 ms are required.

I was wondering where is the hint to set the transmission every 80 ms.

Thanks

Statistics: Posted by Compadre1 — Tue May 19, 2009 3:55 am

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-11T01:20:23+01:00

(@obscene911:)
Update:
I added the CCD Inverse Kinematics algorithm, see:
http://bioloidcontrol.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bioloidcontrol/main/src/robot.cpp?revision=155&view=markup line 388.
It's not optimized but it seems to work for the humanoid

If you want to use simple joint constraints (min, max) you'll have to change the robot config file (dh_*.xml):

Code:

It might be necessary to sample multiple starting configurations due to local minima which is currently not implemented.

Statistics: Posted by cosa — Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:20 am

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-10T10:03:36+01:00

@obscene911: link was faulty, and starting a new thread might be better.
http://www.orchestracontrol.com/Controlsuite/Modules/tabid/60/Default.aspx

obscene911 wrote:
I found a program called Orchestra Control and was wondering if something like this would be good for generating the IK that I need for the Bioloid kit?

Did not encounter that package in my last weeks of research, can it interface with (any form of) C code?

The only one i knew of was KDL, which has solvers onboard:
http://www.orocos.org/kdl

There is breve, which can simulate some robot sensors, is equipped to run some simulated evolution:
http://www.spiderland.org/node/2733
Evolution happens in the PUSH language, and i wonder if it is transferable to my physical robot. That'd be insanely useful.

No experience with either tough.

Statistics: Posted by Barryke — Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:03 am

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-10T21:37:07+01:00

Edit: I apologize. If someone could remove these posts, I'd be appreciative.

Statistics: Posted by obscene911 — Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:58 pm

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-08T11:52:46+01:00

1)
Is AX-12 feedback given by the animation? On a related note, is there a feedback implementation of real AX-12's data?
I want to generate a dynamic gait by some external program. Therefore i would like to have those registers simulated.

Hmm, what do you mean by simulated? Are you referring to the dynamics extension?
If you plan to control the servos in a closed loop I suggest using the USB2Dynamixel or use the tossmode of the standard firmware (if you can set the baudrate to sth higher than 57.6k).
At the moment, my cm-5 controller program has problems when I try to read data from the servos after making a few write attempts which can cause sloppy motions. But I think this is due to communication errors on my broken cm-5. Therefore position feedback during a motion is deactivated at the moment (can easily be reactivated if you compile it yourself: controller/src/interpolation.cpp line 262). I'll have to test it on another cm-5 which will take some time. Of course, this problem doesn't occur if you're using the USB2Dynamixel.

The main program reads data from and writes data to the robot in a closed loop every few milliseconds (see CMotionContainer::updateRobot(), 80ms by default with 57.6k baud). This data is used to show the animation of the robot. If communication is deactivated (on/off, ron/roff) the internal data structures will still be updated as normal but the target position (which is normally sent to the robot) is used as input. You can generate dynamixel packets and send them through a TCP line if you want to use the information in another program.

2)
I saw it has kinematic calculators but does that include a solver?
Can not find that in the documentation.

If you refer to inverse kinematics, there are closed form solutions for the standard humanoid, the custom humanoid and the custom spider. You'll probably be able to use the IK of the custom spider on your robot.
The program doesn't include a working solver. The function CRobot::estimateInverseKinematics() serves as a test area for this purpose. It should contain an implementation of the Jacobian Transponse method, but if I remember it correct, it didn't work properly I haven't worked on this problem for a long time.

3)
I don't grasph the bioloid bus <> your application connection.
A UML outlining what part of the program goes where would fitt well on the sourceforge website. Or mention parts like physics seperatly, as its optional.

I plan ( ) to improve the documentation on the project page and this will be a part of it.
My program outputs data to and reads data from the serial line (true) and a tcp connection (true). If both are activated the program will use the data from the serial line as input but write the output to both. By default (true) the data will be compressed and crc checked which can be interpreted by the cm-5 controller program. You have to deactivate this option if you use a USB2Dynamixel or use another program (like the dynamics extension of Martin) to communicate with the main program. In this case, the main program will use the dynamixel packet format to write and read data.

Please feel free to ask additional questions.

Statistics: Posted by cosa — Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:52 am

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-08T11:07:12+01:00

This thread makes a most interesting read! Thanks guys.

A week ago i stubled upon http://bioloidcontrol.sourceforge.net/ Hells bells, thats a nice project!

I got quite interested because i'm in the planning phase for a AX-12 based spider bot, and need to do simulation. And this is called control, so:

1)
Is AX-12 feedback given by the animation? On a related note, is there a feedback implementation of real AX-12's data?
I want to generate a dynamic gait by some external program. Therefore i would like to have those registers simulated.

2)
I saw it has kinematic calculators but does that include a solver?
Can not find that in the documentation.

3)
I don't grasph the bioloid bus <> your application connection.
A UML outlining what part of the program goes where would fitt well on the sourceforge website. Or mention parts like physics seperatly, as its optional.

Statistics: Posted by Barryke — Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:07 am

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-07T23:24:01+01:00

I understand. I can see how it would be particularly difficult to work on kinematics for the arms, considering the servo axis are all offset from each other. I never thought about the consequences before, but I think you just broadened my understanding of the concept.

I've found an article about a closed-form inverse kinematics solver for reconfigurable robots: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/articleSale/ ... ber=932980

Would it be worth it to purchase that, or am I headed down the wrong path? I'm searching for what you said, but can't find much in terms of a program that will generate explicit formula for IK.

As far as the configuration that I've come up with, should I reconfigure it so that the axis are simplified and intersect the length of the arm?

Statistics: Posted by obscene911 — Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:24 pm

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-07T12:59:26+01:00

Would there be any particular challenge for programming IK for a configuration like this? The arms have a high DOF, so it would use the arms for the majority of stablization, I suppose?

The arms have 6 DOF so you might find a program that automatically generates a closed form solution to inverse kinematics (try google). You might also be interested in numerical solutions which solve the problem by iteration and are therefore slow (but fast enough if you don't want to calculate IK every few ms). See http://graphics.ucsd.edu/courses/cse169_w04/welman.pdf, http://jgt.akpeters.com/papers/BussKim05/, http://diegopark.googlepages.com/computergraphics or sth similar.

If you want to retrieve a closed form solution yourself I would simplify the kinematics. Most of the servo axes don't intersect which complicates the problem.

Statistics: Posted by cosa — Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:59 pm

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-06T23:59:08+01:00

obscene911, do you know the toss mode, pressing the 't' key? You can send and get binary data to/from the AX12+ and AX-S1

Statistics: Posted by siempre.aprendiendo — Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:59 pm

Bioloid Control (Open Source Project)

2008-12-06T23:32:41+01:00

@Cosa: I was just wondering, what your advice is about using inverse kinematics for a custom Bioloid "gorilla" configuration:
http://forums.trossenrobotics.com/showthread.php?t=2672

Would there be any particular challenge for programming IK for a configuration like this? The arms have a high DOF, so it would use the arms for the majority of stablization, I suppose?

I'm currently just using robot terminal for programming movements, but getting the walking gait going is quite a challenge.

Thanks for any help.

Statistics: Posted by obscene911 — Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:32 pm