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Learning how to use scurves with AX-12

2012-04-11T19:14:54+01:00

Another time, thank you very much Bullit. I only have browsed the document, but it seems that it will help me to get a deeper understanding of motion control.

I have been browsing and reading several books, but usually they are very theoretical and only a few of them help to get a working knowledge.

And, again too, thanks Fritzoid, I never thought that it could be related with chaining steps.

Statistics: Posted by siempre.aprendiendo — Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:14 pm

Learning how to use scurves with AX-12

2012-04-11T12:26:06+01:00

Jose asked

why are there two PRE-MAIN pairs?

This is because the action routine handles the post (deceleration) phase a little differently depending upon whether the next motion continues in the same direction, reverses or stops. See references to variables bDirectionChanged and bpFinishType. The second "hump" in the diagram is a supposed to indicate the continued case.

Statistics: Posted by Fritzoid — Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:26 pm

Learning how to use scurves with AX-12

2012-04-10T23:56:48+01:00

You might also like to include this:
Patent US 4988935

I found it particularly useful some years ago.

Statistics: Posted by Bullit — Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:56 pm

Learning how to use scurves with AX-12

2012-04-10T12:29:33+01:00

Oops, sorry, now it's public. I think that there should be some problems with inertia and deceleration, and for some articles I found the trapezoid model seems more appropiate.

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An interesting article, Mathematics of Motion Control Profiles

And a 92 pages thesis, Motion Control Theory Needed in the Implementation of Practical Robotic Systems S Curves, page 17 (25 for Adobe).

In the Darwin Action.cpp source file, there is this interesting ASCII diagram, by the way, why are there two PRE-MAIN pairs?

Code:: /************************************** * Section /----\ * /| |\ * /+---------/ | | \ * / | | | | \ * -----/ | | | | \---- * PRE MAIN PRE MAIN POST PAUSE ***************************************/ enum{ PRE_SECTION, MAIN_SECTION, POST_SECTION, PAUSE_SECTION };

Statistics: Posted by siempre.aprendiendo — Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:29 pm

Learning how to use scurves with AX-12

2012-04-10T12:12:32+01:00

I'm dying to see your results but I'm having trouble viewing your video, it claims to be "private."

I've always thought that the whole s-curves model (and that thread) was misleading, based on an incomplete understanding of the motion processor. A better description would be the trapezoid model with four phases; accelerating, cruising, decelerating and stopped. The motion is smooth because the sharp corners of the trapezoid are rounded off due to mechanical and software constraints. A glimpse at the source code shows that that's the way Robotis designed it.

A true spline-curve implementation is much more computationally intensive and would require floating point processing. Not the kind of stuff an AVR does well.

Statistics: Posted by Fritzoid — Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:12 pm

Learning how to use scurves with AX-12

2012-04-09T18:38:37+01:00

I'm learning how to use scurves with AX-12, so I've created a test CM-510 C program where I try different approachs. Any help will be very well received, because my goal is to control several AX-12 and I'm far far away from it!

Here is the program with an spreadsheet with the calculations (LibreOffice and Excel). I have started from an old post from Bullit in the Tribotix forum (now in PDF format at Robosavvy)

Clockwise is the standard motion, counter clockwise is the scurve intended motion

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Statistics: Posted by siempre.aprendiendo — Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:38 pm