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Are Humanoids Growing Bigger?

2007-09-29T07:01:46+01:00

Tempusmaster, very good points. I can see why the Japanese are inspired by robots like Gundam. In Asia, I rented one of the Japanese Gundam movies and not only was it awe inspiring from a robotics viewpoint, it was also very touching. The robot is a hero, and can be controlled by remote. Yet it retains a degree of autonomy and is filled with surprises in its programming. While it's obviously humanoid, the sheer size is a dominating factor. But if we think about it, the current trend of humanoids is at the opposite end of the spectrum (small ones...). Indeed, there are many unique variations to the humanoid condition.

humanoido

Statistics: Posted by Humanoido — Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:01 am

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2007-09-25T13:49:48+01:00

Humanoido wrote:
I was wondering how wings fit into the overall humanoid image?
It seems like that's a step in a different direction.

'Humanoid' is an image that others often apply to ROBO-ONE, but it isn't really a core part of the overall initiative. The ROBO-ONE theme is 'Biped Robot Entertainment'. The key sponsors include Bandai and Sunrise (among others) who have lots of robot type characters that aren't necessarily pure humanoid.

Is Gundam humanoid? The vast majority of the builders want to build Gundam, or something similar from the same manga/anime genre.

In general, the committee keeps moving towards more of a humanoid type design, but that probably won't rule out things like OmniZero's wings as long as they still fit within the overall rules.

It reminds me of those unfair robots entered in competition
with arms that were not very humanoid.

humanoido

They weren't 'unfair' at the time. The rules have tightened up slowly as the skill of the builders has improved, and to make the competition tougher.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:49 pm

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2007-09-25T11:27:41+01:00

I was wondering how wings fit into the overall humanoid image?
It seems like that's a step in a different direction.
It reminds me of those unfair robots entered in competition
with arms that were not very humanoid.

humanoido

Statistics: Posted by Humanoido — Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:27 am

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2007-09-24T10:58:52+01:00

Hi Bren,

Robo1 wrote:
Thanks for that tempusmaster.

You're welcome. Many visitors probably had the same question, but you took the time and initiative to ask. That's great.

Another question about the wings on omni bot what did he do with them

Moved them around quite a bit. For the catch challenge, he basically formed a basket by sticking up his arms and the wings. Then Maeda tossed the ball in, and OmniZero reached back with his arms/hands to retrieve it and toss it back.

they seem a strange design to put on your robo-one maybe a fairy version.

A lot of the Japanese manga and anime robots have had wings of one sort or another. It fit pretty well with the overall design.

have you got any videos of the new omni competing.

Yes. I just haven't had the time to go through it all yet. My work schedule has been pretty hectic, and I had to wrap up two long articles for the magazine this week also.

I might have to put some flipping hands on my bot, I was going to have just boxing gloves but that's probably not to hardcore for the jap bots.
Bren

It varies. Boxing gloves would be okay. Most of the Japanese builders aren't as 'hardcore' as you might think by looking at the videos online. Almost all of them are engineers during the day, and have families with young kids.

One of my close friends is actually a musician at heart. He always builds a really unique ROBO-ONE entriy, and scores well the first day, but doesn't have the spirit to do well during the second day's fighting.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:58 am

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2007-09-24T10:23:36+01:00

Thanks for that tempusmaster.

Another question about the wings on omni bot what did he do with them they seem a strange design to put on your robo-one maybe a fairy version. have you got any videos of the new omni competing.

I might have to put some flipping hands on my bot, I was going to have just boxing gloves but that's probably not to hardcore for the jap bots.

Bren

Statistics: Posted by Robo1 — Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:23 am

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2007-09-24T07:55:41+01:00

Robo1 wrote:
Hi
Maybe tempusmaster can answer this one. Looking at the video of King Kizer's he still has the flippers for the hands. I'm sure that I read some were that robo-one in japan had changed the rules to make this illegal so that the bots are more human like.
Bren

Hi Bren,

The answers are 'yes' and 'yes'. The rules have tightened up a bit and eliminated the most extreme designs, like some that had arm extensions that were as long, if not longer than the robots body. In this case, proportionally King Kizers arms are within the guidelines and are more human-like than some of the competitors (OmniZero used his 'wings' to catch the ball).

The organizing committee is trying to encourage participation and innovation as much as possible, so they tend to slowly tighten up the rules from competition to competition rather than imposing some absolute ideal. If they made the rules too tight too soon, then only a few builders could compete, which wouldn't be very productive.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:55 am

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2007-09-23T15:59:10+01:00

Hey robo1,
I don't know for sure if there are any official rules on arm extensions. I do remember reading a thread on this site that talked about it though. Is that what you remember reading?

Statistics: Posted by sthmck — Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:59 pm

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2007-09-23T14:58:12+01:00

Hi

Maybe tempusmaster can answer this one. Looking at the video of King Kizer's he still has the flippers for the hands. I'm sure that I read some were that robo-one in japan had changed the rules to make this illegal so that the bots are more human like.

Bren

Statistics: Posted by Robo1 — Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:58 pm

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2007-09-23T08:04:25+01:00

Beter then a huminiod on the moon is Larger huminiods walking the streats like in I-Robot. though that feals like its never going to hapen well.... in my time at least.

a small huminiod on moon seams more likely lol!

Statistics: Posted by Project 107 — Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:04 am

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2007-09-23T02:22:41+01:00

...Although the prize is for a lunar rover on the Moon and not a humanoid. Personally, I'd like to see a humanoid walking around.

Google Inc. is bankrolling a $30 million contest that could significantly boost the commercial space industry and spur the first non-governmental flight to the moon. Call it Moon 2.0. The bulk of the prize will go to the first private company that can land a robotic rover on the moon and beam back a gigabyte of images and video to Earth

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_hi_te/google_moon_prize

humanoido

Statistics: Posted by Humanoido — Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:22 am

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2007-09-22T22:59:38+01:00

There geting biger because thats the reason the Hominids were built in the first place. the first ones were built from lack of suply now with more money going into them the japenies are making it to the size of a man.

Thats what I think on this subject

Statistics: Posted by Project 107 — Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:59 pm

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2007-09-22T22:48:10+01:00

bauermech wrote:
Well, the old clock on the wall says there are only about 172 days left, or a little over 4,000 hours if you work around the clock and counting...

Yeah, that's part of the problem... well, and the cost too. I think what I'm going to do is just spend all the (now) 171 days programming the snot out of Pawn. Time has rapidly snuck up on me in the past while fussing with the structural mods. So this time I want to be well prepared far in advance with an amazing demonstration routine, and gobbs of tricky moves for fighting.

This may be a question far to early to answer, but any word on what the demonstration theme will be for 13? I hope they're not quite ready for juggling robots yet

No word yet, at least that I remember. I'll go back over my notes and the websites, and let you know as soon as they do. Nishimura is really obsessed with the idea of the Google robot on the moon challenge at the moment, so it might have something to do with that.

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:48 pm

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2007-09-22T20:53:03+01:00

Well, the old clock on the wall says there are only about 172 days left, or a little over 4,000 hours if you work around the clock and counting...

Yeah, that's part of the problem... well, and the cost too. I think what I'm going to do is just spend all the (now) 171 days programming the snot out of Pawn. Time has rapidly snuck up on me in the past while fussing with the structural mods. So this time I want to be well prepared far in advance with an amazing demonstration routine, and gobbs of tricky moves for fighting.

This may be a question far to early to answer, but any word on what the demonstration theme will be for 13? I hope they're not quite ready for juggling robots yet

Statistics: Posted by bauermech — Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:53 pm

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2007-09-22T04:55:38+01:00

bauermech wrote:
After doing my fair share of research, I have to admit I'm even leaning toward the dynamixels. ...that and we all saw how well Zog and Oro performed at RoboGames using the 117's. The servos are crazy fast (even while moving several at the same time), have plenty of torque, and those that operate at higher voltages are much more efficient. I don't know if I can make the jump at this point, but it's something I'm putting some heavy thought into for the future.

Well, the old clock on the wall says there are only about 172 days left, or a little over 4,000 hours if you work around the clock and counting...

Statistics: Posted by tempusmaster — Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:55 am

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2007-09-22T04:23:03+01:00

After doing my fair share of research, I have to admit I'm even leaning toward the dynamixels. ...that and we all saw how well Zog and Oro performed at RoboGames using the 117's. The servos are crazy fast (even while moving several at the same time), have plenty of torque, and those that operate at higher voltages are much more efficient. I don't know if I can make the jump at this point, but it's something I'm putting some heavy thought into for the future.

Statistics: Posted by bauermech — Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:23 am