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<blockquote><div><cite>SK wrote:</cite><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Stephane wrote:</cite>SK is rather participating to socker competition, where mobility is the key point. In that perspective, I find SK's points very interesting (all the more that they precisely challenge the common places of COG position).<br /></div></blockquote><br />Well an intuitive analogy would probably be: Would you rather mount 2 3kg weights to your feet or carry the 6kg in a backpack? Carrying them on the feet makes you more statically stable, but as soon as you want to move you´ll definetly notice that overall energy consumption and the torque requirements in your leg &quot;actuators&quot; have increased. Of course the analogy is flawed, because the human balance control and actuation system is much more sophisticated than a robot´s and thus a high COG isn´t so much of a problem for us. Still, as soon as things are supposed to move, dynamics play an important role and should not be ignored.<br /><br />@Luison:<br />Your new robot looks pretty good (and the old one too, even if probably a bit hardware limited) , what will be the scenarios it will be used for?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Ok <span style="font-weight: bold">SK</span>, that's a really good point.<br /><br />My first robot, use a BasicX running at 8MHz, with only 400bytes of RAM... now i use a chip more powerfull, running my code, i'm complete sure that the AXON will not be the problem (second core or chip for sensors  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /> ), the real problem in power is the CMUcamp3... i still haven't programmed it, and i have some really good ideas for it, but only ideas.<br /><br />Scenarios: I use robo-one tournaments for teach my robot how to move., so this year, only robo-one tournaments, like <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://bipedolandia.com/sites/default/files/Cartel_CAMUBI.png">http://bipedolandia.com/sites/default/f ... CAMUBI.png</a><!-- m --> . The next year... i don't know, everything is on the air (if i go, for example, to robocup, i would go only with one robot, pay all the trip... i don't know)  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2033">luison</a> — Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:00 pm</p><hr />
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Putting two lipos one in each foot (60g each lipo) helped improving my bioloid's stability - less swinging from left to right.  He has a total weight of 2.3Kg (including batteries).<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=546">JavaRN</a> — Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:15 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>Stephane wrote:</cite><br />SK is rather participating to socker competition, where mobility is the key point. In that perspective, I find SK's points very interesting (all the more that they precisely challenge the common places of COG position).<br /></div></blockquote><br />Well an intuitive analogy would probably be: Would you rather mount 2 3kg weights to your feet or carry the 6kg in a backpack? Carrying them on the feet makes you more statically stable, but as soon as you want to move you´ll definetly notice that overall energy consumption and the torque requirements in your leg &quot;actuators&quot; have increased. Of course the analogy is flawed, because the human balance control and actuation system is much more sophisticated than a robot´s and thus a high COG isn´t so much of a problem for us. Still, as soon as things are supposed to move, dynamics play an important role and should not be ignored.<br /><br />@Luison:<br />Your new robot looks pretty good (and the old one too, even if probably a bit hardware limited) , what will be the scenarios it will be used for?<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=212">SK</a> — Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:26 am</p><hr />
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Fighting is just the way towards a larger goal  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /> <br />Why i've put a camera?<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2033">luison</a> — Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:01 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>luison wrote:</cite><br />The hip servo, wastes practically all it's torque supporting the momentum force of the chest, not the lever of <span style="font-weight: bold">the other leg</span>.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />Actually, my reasoning was a little bit carried away by <a href="http://robosavvy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5854" class="postlink">this topic</a>, where the robot tries kung fu figures.<br />In such case, the position of the other leg drags the position of the overall COG away from the supporting hip, and increases the momentum force of the chest + other leg. The more the COG of the other leg is closed to the ankle, the bigger the impact (though I don't have calculations to attach a figure to this impact).<br /><br /><br />About the &quot;never a high COG&quot; debate, I feel it depends the purpose of the robot:<br />Seeing Luison's video, he seems to rather target fighting robots, where stability is the key point.<br />SK is rather participating to socker competition, where mobility is the key point. In that perspective, I find SK's points very interesting (all the more that they precisely challenge the common places of COG position).<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1791">Stephane</a> — Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:23 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>SK wrote:</cite><br />Well an obvious choice for shifting the COG is placing the batteries either in the feet or somewhere above the legs. Having the batteries in the feet of course results in a lower COG, but doing so the feet have higher mass, which always has to be accelerated and decelerated during walking (from zero velocity when in contact with the ground to twice walking velocity when putting the foot forward). In contrast to this, the upper body typically follows a more regular motion pattern, not requiring this acceleration of battery weight when they are placed there.<br />I'm thus not quite sure that &quot;never a high COG&quot; is always and in every aspect true. As I mentioned before, it also depends on the geometry/kinematics and gait of the robot one is looking at.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />In some strange case... it's possible higher is better.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2033">luison</a> — Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:05 pm</p><hr />
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Well an obvious choice for shifting the COG is placing the batteries either in the feet or somewhere above the legs. Having the batteries in the feet of course results in a lower COG, but doing so the feet have higher mass, which always has to be accelerated and decelerated during walking (from zero velocity when in contact with the ground to twice walking velocity when putting the foot forward). In contrast to this, the upper body typically follows a more regular motion pattern, not requiring this acceleration of battery weight when they are placed there.<br />I'm thus not quite sure that &quot;never a high COG&quot; is always and in every aspect true. As I mentioned before, it also depends on the geometry/kinematics and gait of the robot one is looking at.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=212">SK</a> — Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:21 pm</p><hr />
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I can't see if you put pics or not (in my work don't allow some urls  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> ). But reading you, i think you are wrong.<br />The hip servo, wastes practically all it's torque supporting the momentum force of the chest, not the lever of <span style="font-weight: bold">the other leg</span>.<br /><br />In general, the best is down your COG or a symmetric leg, but never a high COG, or that is what i think  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2033">luison</a> — Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:37 am</p><hr />
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Hi all,<br /><br />Before reading your comments, I was rather sharing i-Bot's view:<br /><br />Based on a static point of view, I still think the ankle servo doesn't need to give that much torque because the only force that applies to the COG when the system is idle is the gravity force.<br />To get the momentum of resulting from this force on the ankle axis, you need to do a projection of the gravity force on an axis perpendicular to the lever axis. (That is, if my memory serves well). Considering the deviation angle from vertical position is small (be it only because the area of the foot is not big and once the projection of the COG gets out of that area, the biped will just fall, regardless of the ankle's torque), this projection result in a rather small number (approximation of cos(PI/2 +/-alpha) for alpha is alpha .. which is small)<br /><br />For the hips, the problem is little bit the same but very different because this time, the lever is rather horizontal, so the projection will use alpha, whose cos approximation at small values is 1 - alpha. Here we are nearly facing the maximum momentum.<br /><br /><br /><br />Something I apparently failed to catch is the dynamic behavior of the system. The following is a summary of what I understood, please correct if I am wrong (you may also confirm if I am correct  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /> ).<br />Here the forces applied are not only the gravity (which is still rather small) but also a force associated to the lateral acceleration of the robot (thanks luison for that missing dot).<br />Since the lateral acceleration is horizontal, its projection on the level perpenducular is done with a near-one projection ratio. Mass intervene in the lateral acceleration value as inertial term; this is rather here that we find the radius * &quot;weight&quot; expression that impacts the ankle torque.<br /><br />Now, acceleration is a dynamic behavior, so using kinetic models with low acceleration profile such as S-curves can help reduce the ankle torque (thanks SK for this interesting point)<br />I don't think the same reasoning applies to the hip torque since its constraint is a static one.<br /><br /><br />Overall, my mistake was to limit the thinking to static behavior; things are quite different when the robot goes into motion. I am glad to have been corrected early in my design  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><br /><br /><br /><span style="text-decoration: underline">Nevertheless, the original question remains</span>  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /> <br />I can now reformulate based on the discussion so far. Independently of the respective servo torques (we can assume they all have the same torque to simplify the discussion), the question is &quot;how to adjust the weight repartition in the leg?&quot;<br />By setting the leg COG higher, I will favor the hips servos because its lever will be smaller. (I am considering only the leg subsystem here.  I think that the leg COG position has little impact on how the whole system COG impact the hips work.)<br />By setting the leg COG lower, I will favor the ankle servos because I will lower the overal COG possion and thus reduce the lever size.<br /><br />My answer to that would be to favor the hips servos because they are impacted by a static constraint, whereas ankle servos are impacted by a dynamic constraint and we can reduce the dynamic constraint with a better kinematic model.<br />What do you think?<br /><br />(All of this is getting my physics back the hard way  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /> )<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Stéphane<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1791">Stephane</a> — Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:07 am</p><hr />
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I didn't think people wouldn't understand my post, so here's a picture with an explanation:<br /><br /><img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8676/robots.png" alt="Image" /><br /><br />blue = center of gravity<br />green = 'lever'<br /><br />Momentum = Force x lever (radius)<br /><br />That is wy the ankle needs to be the strongest part in a humanoid.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1932">mog123</a> — Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:40 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>SK wrote:</cite><br /><blockquote><div><cite>luison wrote:</cite>If you don't believe me, check how Giger robot, changed her 64KKg/cm for other with 100Kg/cm because the hip haven't got enough power... not the knee like you suppose.  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><br /></div></blockquote><br />Well have a look at the robots of my team ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dribblers.de/">http://www.dribblers.de/</a><!-- m -->, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Teams2010">http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Teams2010</a><!-- m --> or link in my sig ). We´re using RX-28s for all joints but knees and the waist (for which RX-64s are used). Especially the knee RX-64 are a result of lessons learned when our robot was completely DX-117 servo equipped in its first iteration.<br />I think the amount of required servo torque is largely a function of kinematics/geometry as well as the walking gait used. On our HR30 robots, using RX-64 in the knee and RX-28 in the ankles and hip is a good solution.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Seems like differents  algorithms produces differents results.<br />I know perfectly &quot;your&quot; robots   <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2033">luison</a> — Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:21 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>billyzelsnack wrote:</cite><br />Do you have pics or vids of your robots online anywhere? I'd love to see them.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, i have vids of my first robot, but it never works as well as i spected, because the weak servos.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8sRPNMDV5k">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8sRPNMDV5k</a><!-- m --><br /><br />From the second, only pics, the following month we make a competition in Madrid, so i will upload videos if you want.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img3.imageshack.us/i/dsc00653b.jpg/">http://img3.imageshack.us/i/dsc00653b.jpg/</a><!-- m --><br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img188.imageshack.us/i/dsc00652b.jpg/">http://img188.imageshack.us/i/dsc00652b.jpg/</a><!-- m --><br /><br />The second, is really really impressive, with two axles servos modified to fit in the SES, open body, CAM, giros, accelerometers... and a really really cool library make for the AXON. I'm writing all the libraries for the AXON because the originals are really bad (i think).<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2033">luison</a> — Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:19 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>luison wrote:</cite><br />My first bot, has a leg of 23cm and weights 2,6Kg.<br />My second robot, has a leg of 30cm (aprox) and weights 3,1Kgs.<br /><br />The maximum torque is when the robot is on one leg, for example walking... it has to support not only the normal weight, that in the first bot is: 2,6Kg x 5cm aprox (for centre  the weight on the foot)<span style="font-weight: bold"> plus the lateral acceleration</span>. 2,6X5=11,2... extremely  near the top torque of the servos... and generally, the torque is calculated on stall move...  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />Do you have pics or vids of your robots online anywhere? I'd love to see them.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=459">billyzelsnack</a> — Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:22 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>SK wrote:</cite><br />Well have a look at the robots of my team ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dribblers.de/">http://www.dribblers.de/</a><!-- m -->, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Teams2010">http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Teams2010</a><!-- m --> or link in my sig ). We´re using RX-28s for all joints but knees and the waist (for which RX-64s are used). Especially the knee RX-64 are a result of lessons learned when our robot was completely DX-117 servo equipped in its first iteration.<br />I think the amount of required servo torque is largely a function of kinematics/geometry as well as the walking gait used. On our HR30 robots, using RX-64 in the knee and RX-28 in the ankles and hip is a good solution.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />Thanks for the info. I figured the non RX-64's were just in upper body.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=459">billyzelsnack</a> — Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:21 pm</p><hr />
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<blockquote><div><cite>luison wrote:</cite><br />If you don't believe me, check how Giger robot, changed her 64KKg/cm for other with 100Kg/cm because the hip haven't got enough power... not the knee like you suppose.  <img src="http://forum.robosavvy.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><br /></div></blockquote><br />Well have a look at the robots of my team ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dribblers.de/">http://www.dribblers.de/</a><!-- m -->, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Teams2010">http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Teams2010</a><!-- m --> or link in my sig ). We´re using RX-28s for all joints but knees and the waist (for which RX-64s are used). Especially the knee RX-64 are a result of lessons learned when our robot was completely DX-117 servo equipped in its first iteration.<br />I think the amount of required servo torque is largely a function of kinematics/geometry as well as the walking gait used. On our HR30 robots, using RX-64 in the knee and RX-28 in the ankles and hip is a good solution.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="http://forum.robosavvy.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=212">SK</a> — Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:51 pm</p><hr />
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