would like to get into biped robots
would like to get into biped robots
by helifrek
Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:00 pm
Hey guys,
I am an experienced rc helicopter pilot (not that it will help) and I would love to get into robotics. is there anything out there that is autonomous like an aibo but a biped? other than there qrio that is
I don't know much about robotics but I have alway had an interest. what do you guys think will be avialable in about 5 years? 10? thanks for your help guys.
Brandon
I am an experienced rc helicopter pilot (not that it will help) and I would love to get into robotics. is there anything out there that is autonomous like an aibo but a biped? other than there qrio that is
I don't know much about robotics but I have alway had an interest. what do you guys think will be avialable in about 5 years? 10? thanks for your help guys.
Brandon
by limor
Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:49 am
50k or so Aibos around the world mostly sit on people's desks accumulating dust beause once you go through the preset autonomous functions you get bored of the thing by the end of the first week. The only way these robots keep entertaining is if you program, modify and hack them.
KHR-1 and Robonova are excelent mechanical / electonic platforms. But they are intended to be used as a basis for adding your own creative input. As you can see from postings in this forum, some people spend days figuring out how to add sensors, wireless connectivity, long-lasting batteries, alternative controler boards and what not in order for their robot to be more agile and aware of its surroundings.
And as for the future, I belief that the real robotic revolution will come through robotic toys becoming more sophisticated and through robots controled by a remote operator (see this link). Hence 5-10 years from now you may see a real-world version of the game Tekken (evolution of today's robo-one tournaments) and your house being cleaned by a robot that's remote controled by an operator sitting in China.
KHR-1 and Robonova are excelent mechanical / electonic platforms. But they are intended to be used as a basis for adding your own creative input. As you can see from postings in this forum, some people spend days figuring out how to add sensors, wireless connectivity, long-lasting batteries, alternative controler boards and what not in order for their robot to be more agile and aware of its surroundings.
And as for the future, I belief that the real robotic revolution will come through robotic toys becoming more sophisticated and through robots controled by a remote operator (see this link). Hence 5-10 years from now you may see a real-world version of the game Tekken (evolution of today's robo-one tournaments) and your house being cleaned by a robot that's remote controled by an operator sitting in China.
by helifrek
Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:11 pm
well, my hopes just went down the drain any links on where I can learn more about how the robonova and KHR-1 work? I get the servos and mechanics but how would you go about adding your own sensors and making it autonomous, not to mention how much? as far as mechanics go I could probably build a kick a$$ robot if I had the tools and parts.... I had an idea of eliminating 3 servos with something I like to call a PTR joint (pan, tilt, rotate). would also eliminate some of the wires.... how many people use Li-ion cells in there robots? and could I build a mini-bot with some micro servos? for $9 a servo that would probably bring cost way down. thanks again.
Brandon
any links on where I can learn more about how the robonova and KHR-1 work? I get the servos and mechanics but how would you go about adding your own sensors and making it autonomous, not to mention how much? as far as mechanics go I could probably build a kick a$$ robot if I had the tools and parts.... I had an idea of eliminating 3 servos with something I like to call a PTR joint (pan, tilt, rotate). would also eliminate some of the wires.... how many people use Li-ion cells in there robots? and could I build a mini-bot with some micro servos? for $9 a servo that would probably bring cost way down. thanks again.
Brandon
by limor
Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:14 pm
Operations of the KHR-1 can be found in the Heart2Heart manual.
There's a link to the Robonova operations manual here.
Check out the "3D Data" link on Main-Menu tree on the left.
You can get some ideas of how the KHR-1 is designed and i'm sure you will get some support in this forum if you venture on a mission to design a new humanoid body that's built around cheap servos and incorporates efficient manipulators (like the one found in the Robosapien's hand).
There's a link to the Robonova operations manual here.
Check out the "3D Data" link on Main-Menu tree on the left.
You can get some ideas of how the KHR-1 is designed and i'm sure you will get some support in this forum if you venture on a mission to design a new humanoid body that's built around cheap servos and incorporates efficient manipulators (like the one found in the Robosapien's hand).
My 2 cents
by Bill
Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:24 am
I am an RC Heli pilot as well....
I think the most flexible most fun and most hi tech robot is the boiloid (robotis). Servos just don't cut it with robots (in my opinion). the dynamixel "servos" are extremly useful. As are the hi-tech servos. This is because you get feedback, protection, complience driving, and manage them so well (including cable management). Making sensors will probably be a bit more of a challenge (I would make them addressable), however, the price point of the robotis robots are much better then the robonova and khr-1. The price point of the dynamixel ax-12 is much better then the robonova's HSR-8498HB. the ax-12 is higher torque, weighs the same, higher voltages and offers a lot more documentation then the hi-techs. The plastic gears don't concern me since the ax-12 offers complience driving. Also all settings are done through the seriel bus and dont require a special cable. You can pose the robot and do if/then logic making the quick start easy. People like me can hack in other stuff (my zuarus with a compiler will be first probably).
I have looked at all the robots, downloaded the video's, and read a fair amount of the rants. I tend to think that people just getting into this hobby would be happiest with a kit from robotis. I was suprised to read that the cost was the concern on this list, since I just spent $1000 bucks on a 19 DOF robot (I will be able to turn) robot capable of being a dog, arm, gorilla, dinosaur.... wish I could have purchased from robosavvy since this list has been so helpful. I would have bought a robonova but I didn't want to walk in a streight line After doing my homework, and reading some man pages, I am happy that I ordered a robotis kit. I have high hopes but I will let yall know.
-=Bill
I think the most flexible most fun and most hi tech robot is the boiloid (robotis). Servos just don't cut it with robots (in my opinion). the dynamixel "servos" are extremly useful. As are the hi-tech servos. This is because you get feedback, protection, complience driving, and manage them so well (including cable management). Making sensors will probably be a bit more of a challenge (I would make them addressable), however, the price point of the robotis robots are much better then the robonova and khr-1. The price point of the dynamixel ax-12 is much better then the robonova's HSR-8498HB. the ax-12 is higher torque, weighs the same, higher voltages and offers a lot more documentation then the hi-techs. The plastic gears don't concern me since the ax-12 offers complience driving. Also all settings are done through the seriel bus and dont require a special cable. You can pose the robot and do if/then logic making the quick start easy. People like me can hack in other stuff (my zuarus with a compiler will be first probably).
I have looked at all the robots, downloaded the video's, and read a fair amount of the rants. I tend to think that people just getting into this hobby would be happiest with a kit from robotis. I was suprised to read that the cost was the concern on this list, since I just spent $1000 bucks on a 19 DOF robot (I will be able to turn) robot capable of being a dog, arm, gorilla, dinosaur.... wish I could have purchased from robosavvy since this list has been so helpful. I would have bought a robonova but I didn't want to walk in a streight line
After doing my homework, and reading some man pages, I am happy that I ordered a robotis kit. I have high hopes but I will let yall know.
-=Bill
by Guest
Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:32 pm
Above is some great information about robotic kits, but if your interested in some more toy based robots, there less advanced but are more of an "all-in-one" product if you dont want to hack, the latest one of these around is RSv2, but it may not be quite what your looking for, although its only a couple of hundred so its worth a buy.
I'd also look up Robofie, if you have the money it is a very cool looking robot.
Then also keep an eye out for Ugobe Pleo and Wowwee Roboreptile, there both dinsaur type robots but are still worth a look.
The more human based to look out for are Dr Robot's HR7, Robosapien V3 and P-bot / P.E.A Bot
Have a look, also for the toy based robots you might want to check out: http://pruim037.proboards23.com/index.cgi
Chemical
I'd also look up Robofie, if you have the money it is a very cool looking robot.
Then also keep an eye out for Ugobe Pleo and Wowwee Roboreptile, there both dinsaur type robots but are still worth a look.
The more human based to look out for are Dr Robot's HR7, Robosapien V3 and P-bot / P.E.A Bot
Have a look, also for the toy based robots you might want to check out: http://pruim037.proboards23.com/index.cgi
Chemical
by Chemical
Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:33 pm
Above is some great information about robotic kits, but if your interested in some more toy based robots, there less advanced but are more of an "all-in-one" product if you dont want to hack, the latest one of these around is RSv2, but it may not be quite what your looking for, although its only a couple of hundred so its worth a buy.
I'd also look up Robofie, if you have the money it is a very cool looking robot.
Then also keep an eye out for Ugobe Pleo and Wowwee Roboreptile, there both dinsaur type robots but are still worth a look.
The more human based to look out for are Dr Robot's HR7, Robosapien V3 and P-bot / P.E.A Bot
Have a look, also for the toy based robots you might want to check out: http://pruim037.proboards23.com/index.cgi
Chemical
I'd also look up Robofie, if you have the money it is a very cool looking robot.
Then also keep an eye out for Ugobe Pleo and Wowwee Roboreptile, there both dinsaur type robots but are still worth a look.
The more human based to look out for are Dr Robot's HR7, Robosapien V3 and P-bot / P.E.A Bot
Have a look, also for the toy based robots you might want to check out: http://pruim037.proboards23.com/index.cgi
Chemical
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