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KHR-1 software

Post by onesandzeros » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:45 am

Post by onesandzeros
Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:45 am

:?
Itd be really cool if there was more software written for the khr-1 in english to make it a lil more user friendly
Software to make use of sensors and so on easier.

Iam rather supprised that there isnt mountains of software for such a cool toy.

Has anyone written any cool stuff? like hand eye coordination (like hr2)
just kidding, but it sure would be cool to see whut kind of programs people out there are writting or have in mind.

i mean with the right code and sensors, it seems krh-1 should be able to do a whole lot of COOL stuff.
:?
Itd be really cool if there was more software written for the khr-1 in english to make it a lil more user friendly
Software to make use of sensors and so on easier.

Iam rather supprised that there isnt mountains of software for such a cool toy.

Has anyone written any cool stuff? like hand eye coordination (like hr2)
just kidding, but it sure would be cool to see whut kind of programs people out there are writting or have in mind.

i mean with the right code and sensors, it seems krh-1 should be able to do a whole lot of COOL stuff.
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Post by limor » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:55 am

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Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:55 am

KHR-1 does not have native programmatic sensor interfaces and doesn't have a native way to write arbitrary programs to the controler board.

The Kondo Gyros KRG-2 don't interface with the controller, they are in a closed loop with the feet/knee servos - hence no programming needed.

In order to add sensor input to RCB-1 you need a daughter board called RSC-1 that has analog inputs and links to the RCB-1 controller board. The RCB-1 can then be set to react to high and low thresholds from input sensors - hence no programming needed.

To really do some AI stuff with KHR-1 you need a second controler that has native sensor inputs, allows for arbitrary programming and controls the RCB-1 through the high-speed serial interface (ex: gumstix.com).

As a result of this mild complexity and limitations, there aren't many examples of autonomous KHR-1's in the same way as the Robonova or the Bioloid. You may find some complex academic KHR-1 AI projects if you search past years groups projects on robocup.org.

HOWEVER - KHR-2HV seems to address all these issues with a vengence.. so lets wait and see what people do with the new Kondo humanoid.
KHR-1 does not have native programmatic sensor interfaces and doesn't have a native way to write arbitrary programs to the controler board.

The Kondo Gyros KRG-2 don't interface with the controller, they are in a closed loop with the feet/knee servos - hence no programming needed.

In order to add sensor input to RCB-1 you need a daughter board called RSC-1 that has analog inputs and links to the RCB-1 controller board. The RCB-1 can then be set to react to high and low thresholds from input sensors - hence no programming needed.

To really do some AI stuff with KHR-1 you need a second controler that has native sensor inputs, allows for arbitrary programming and controls the RCB-1 through the high-speed serial interface (ex: gumstix.com).

As a result of this mild complexity and limitations, there aren't many examples of autonomous KHR-1's in the same way as the Robonova or the Bioloid. You may find some complex academic KHR-1 AI projects if you search past years groups projects on robocup.org.

HOWEVER - KHR-2HV seems to address all these issues with a vengence.. so lets wait and see what people do with the new Kondo humanoid.
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Post by onesandzeros » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:13 pm

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Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:13 pm

:(
i guess the RCB-3J control board wont work in khr-1? cause it uses hv.

has anyone used the RSC-1 board?

Lastly i wanted to ask if anyone hsa video of khr-1 with the gyro werking.

maybe kondo will release a different version of RCB-3J for khr-1, this would be great as it is supposed to be superior
:(
i guess the RCB-3J control board wont work in khr-1? cause it uses hv.

has anyone used the RSC-1 board?

Lastly i wanted to ask if anyone hsa video of khr-1 with the gyro werking.

maybe kondo will release a different version of RCB-3J for khr-1, this would be great as it is supposed to be superior
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Post by onesandzeros » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:09 pm

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Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:09 pm

hey guys
check this out if you havent seen it already
http://www.robotshop.ca/video/pob-patte ... rawing.wmv

it woold be sweet to incorporate somethign liek this to khr-1
hey guys
check this out if you havent seen it already
http://www.robotshop.ca/video/pob-patte ... rawing.wmv

it woold be sweet to incorporate somethign liek this to khr-1
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Post by tempusmaster » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:04 am

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Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:04 am

onesandzeros wrote::(
i guess the RCB-3J control board wont work in khr-1? cause it uses hv.


I was told during the April RCB-3 seminar that it is possible to use the RCB-3 with the original KHR-1 low voltage servo configuration by using a small option board that boosts the supply for the controller board operation. That being said, the RCB-3 hasn't been released yet (just the RCB-3J for the KHR-2HV. Kondo marketing could easily change their plans, especially if they think the market for the option board is too small to justify offering that configuration.

Most of the existing KHR-1 userbase that wants to upgrade is probably just going to buy a complete KHR-2HV rather than trying to work with a hybrid. Besides, if I was considering the move to the RCB-3 I would definitely want to move to HV across the board.

has anyone used the RSC-1 board?

Lastly i wanted to ask if anyone hsa video of khr-1 with the gyro werking.


Which configuration?

Most of the ROBO-ONE J class robots that use the KHR-1 platform are equipped with gyros.

maybe kondo will release a different version of RCB-3J for khr-1, this would be great as it is supposed to be superior


The RCB-3J is definitely superior. At the same time, it's likely to be more difficult for most novice builders to grok and use effectively. Given that the KHR-2HV price point is lower than the KHR-1, it will be interesting to see how Kondo positions the older model going forward. That question is sure to be asked next weekend at the big KHR-1 anniversary event here.
onesandzeros wrote::(
i guess the RCB-3J control board wont work in khr-1? cause it uses hv.


I was told during the April RCB-3 seminar that it is possible to use the RCB-3 with the original KHR-1 low voltage servo configuration by using a small option board that boosts the supply for the controller board operation. That being said, the RCB-3 hasn't been released yet (just the RCB-3J for the KHR-2HV. Kondo marketing could easily change their plans, especially if they think the market for the option board is too small to justify offering that configuration.

Most of the existing KHR-1 userbase that wants to upgrade is probably just going to buy a complete KHR-2HV rather than trying to work with a hybrid. Besides, if I was considering the move to the RCB-3 I would definitely want to move to HV across the board.

has anyone used the RSC-1 board?

Lastly i wanted to ask if anyone hsa video of khr-1 with the gyro werking.


Which configuration?

Most of the ROBO-ONE J class robots that use the KHR-1 platform are equipped with gyros.

maybe kondo will release a different version of RCB-3J for khr-1, this would be great as it is supposed to be superior


The RCB-3J is definitely superior. At the same time, it's likely to be more difficult for most novice builders to grok and use effectively. Given that the KHR-2HV price point is lower than the KHR-1, it will be interesting to see how Kondo positions the older model going forward. That question is sure to be asked next weekend at the big KHR-1 anniversary event here.
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