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KHR-1HV released

Post by heke » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:27 am

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:27 am

Kondo has released a new robot, KHR-1HV. It seems to similar to KHR-2HV, but with 19 axes.

http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/ne ... 8/272.html

Translation:
Kondo science Ltd. announced that they put two-legged robot kit "KHR-1HV" on the market on November 28. The price is an open price in the shipment schedule in the middle of December, and the current market price is 126,000 yen.

The content of the kit is an evolution version of "KHR-2HV" put on the market in 2006 though the name has been succeeded from the first two-legged robot kit "KHR-1" in this company put on the market in 2004. A big feature was a Yeoh axis (turn axis) added to the foot, and, as a result, the degree of freedom of the whole body became 19. Doing an operation motion near man or more compared with "KHR-2HV" whose degree of freedom is 17 becomes possible.

The size is 179×377mm(width × height). Weight is 1,510g. The servo used is "KRS-788HV" in 17 axes including the added turn axis. "KRS-4024S HV" is adopted in the shoulder. The microcomputer board can correspond also to the servo of a high-ranking model by "RCB-3HV". Nickel hydrogen 10.8V-800mAh is attached to the battery. OS since Windows 2000/XP operates, and PC with one or more empty USB ports is needed for assembly.
Kondo has released a new robot, KHR-1HV. It seems to similar to KHR-2HV, but with 19 axes.

http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/ne ... 8/272.html

Translation:
Kondo science Ltd. announced that they put two-legged robot kit "KHR-1HV" on the market on November 28. The price is an open price in the shipment schedule in the middle of December, and the current market price is 126,000 yen.

The content of the kit is an evolution version of "KHR-2HV" put on the market in 2006 though the name has been succeeded from the first two-legged robot kit "KHR-1" in this company put on the market in 2004. A big feature was a Yeoh axis (turn axis) added to the foot, and, as a result, the degree of freedom of the whole body became 19. Doing an operation motion near man or more compared with "KHR-2HV" whose degree of freedom is 17 becomes possible.

The size is 179×377mm(width × height). Weight is 1,510g. The servo used is "KRS-788HV" in 17 axes including the added turn axis. "KRS-4024S HV" is adopted in the shoulder. The microcomputer board can correspond also to the servo of a high-ranking model by "RCB-3HV". Nickel hydrogen 10.8V-800mAh is attached to the battery. OS since Windows 2000/XP operates, and PC with one or more empty USB ports is needed for assembly.
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Post by Robo1 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:08 pm

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:08 pm

A sexy picture for all you guys out there.

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I love the carbon fiber body panel.

I can't see why they called it the KHR-1HV, why not the KHR-3HV :?

Would love to see if here sell the different parts to convert the standard in to this beast.

Shame they didn'tput some decent servos in there like the KRS-2350HV, now that would be a sexy robot :lol:

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A sexy picture for all you guys out there.

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I love the carbon fiber body panel.

I can't see why they called it the KHR-1HV, why not the KHR-3HV :?

Would love to see if here sell the different parts to convert the standard in to this beast.

Shame they didn'tput some decent servos in there like the KRS-2350HV, now that would be a sexy robot :lol:

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Post by limor » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:12 pm

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:12 pm

This new kit/extension is not going to be available for a while.

Interesting that Kondo chose to make this announcement with perfect timing to confuse Christmas shoppers.
This new kit/extension is not going to be available for a while.

Interesting that Kondo chose to make this announcement with perfect timing to confuse Christmas shoppers.
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I want a refund

Post by Bob » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:53 pm

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Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:53 pm

Bummer, just bought the KHR-2HV and now this!!!!

I wonder if there will be a conversion kit available?
Bummer, just bought the KHR-2HV and now this!!!!

I wonder if there will be a conversion kit available?
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Post by NullARC » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:08 am

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:08 am

Does anyone know how this compares to the AT01? It seems like another great Kondo biped.
Does anyone know how this compares to the AT01? It seems like another great Kondo biped.
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Post by beermat » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:26 am

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:26 am

I had the same thought as NullArc - anyone willing to do a comparison with the Manoi, not just from a ROBO-ONE angle but also for the hobby roboteer (because, well, really, how many people are going to actually compete in a ROBO-ONE tourney in the first place, and enter it with a stock or slightly mod'd kit, vs the number who buy it for home and educational use/playing?)

If I could change just one thing about the stock RN-1, I'd change it to have hip rotation out of the box; I feel those 2 DOFs are extremely important for replicating humanoid motion (and skating!!) and, at this price point, feel it should be standard on the range of robots covered by this forum, so for that alone, I'm liking this KHR-3HV (which is should be called). But thats just me!
I had the same thought as NullArc - anyone willing to do a comparison with the Manoi, not just from a ROBO-ONE angle but also for the hobby roboteer (because, well, really, how many people are going to actually compete in a ROBO-ONE tourney in the first place, and enter it with a stock or slightly mod'd kit, vs the number who buy it for home and educational use/playing?)

If I could change just one thing about the stock RN-1, I'd change it to have hip rotation out of the box; I feel those 2 DOFs are extremely important for replicating humanoid motion (and skating!!) and, at this price point, feel it should be standard on the range of robots covered by this forum, so for that alone, I'm liking this KHR-3HV (which is should be called). But thats just me!
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Post by limor » Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:18 am

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:18 am

Seems to me from just comparing the picture above with the picture of the KHR-2HV, that the KHR-1HV is basically a KHR-2HV + the 2DOF kit which has been available for about a year. The 2DOF kit was available for KHR-1 and is available for KHR-1 w/ HV upgrade. It also had Rambo chest previously but with standard servos.. Additional visible differences are the little arm block extenders maybe to add ballance when walking with these enlongated legs.

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So I'm pretty sure that KHR-2HV owners will have the option at some stage of getting the this 2DOF extension and upgrading their KHR-2HV to a <strike>KHR-3HV</strike> KHR-1HV.
Seems to me from just comparing the picture above with the picture of the KHR-2HV, that the KHR-1HV is basically a KHR-2HV + the 2DOF kit which has been available for about a year. The 2DOF kit was available for KHR-1 and is available for KHR-1 w/ HV upgrade. It also had Rambo chest previously but with standard servos.. Additional visible differences are the little arm block extenders maybe to add ballance when walking with these enlongated legs.

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So I'm pretty sure that KHR-2HV owners will have the option at some stage of getting the this 2DOF extension and upgrading their KHR-2HV to a <strike>KHR-3HV</strike> KHR-1HV.
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Post by tempusmaster » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:44 pm

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Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:44 pm

NullArc wrote:Does anyone know how this compares to the AT01? It seems like another great Kondo biped.


Without getting too deeply into all the details, the KHR-1HV is basically a KHR-2HV plus:

1- The two additional DOF for the legs
2- RCB-3 instead of the RCB-3J
3- Beefier shoulder servos with more rotation (4024S-HV) only
4- The 'tub' feet/soles.

Those are all significant improvements and worth the added cost - at least IMHO.

The MANOI AT01 has fewer DOF and it isn't obvious that Kyosho/Kondo will come out with a similar leg DOF option in the future, though they are hinting about some option announcements that will be made next weekend at the Athlete Humanoid Cup competition here. Still, the AT01:

1- Uses the 4024S-HV servos throughout. The 4024 rotational range is 260 degrees versus the 180 degree range for the 788/786 servos. Since the 4024 dimensions/fit are identical to both the 4014 and 4013 servos, you can upgrade the servos to improve the torque by up to 4X without making any frame or body modifications. To do the same thing with the KHR-2HV or KHR-1HV you have to design and fabricate new frames.

2- The standard AT01 can be upgraded to add an additional DOF to each arm, and also hip rotation by simply adding the additional servos and some minor parts. It's all designed in and documented in the manual.

I'm planning to stop by Robo-Spot tomorrow evening since there's a robot soccer competition scheduled. They will definitely have the KHR-1HV doing some demos, so I'll see what other information I can dig up. 8O
NullArc wrote:Does anyone know how this compares to the AT01? It seems like another great Kondo biped.


Without getting too deeply into all the details, the KHR-1HV is basically a KHR-2HV plus:

1- The two additional DOF for the legs
2- RCB-3 instead of the RCB-3J
3- Beefier shoulder servos with more rotation (4024S-HV) only
4- The 'tub' feet/soles.

Those are all significant improvements and worth the added cost - at least IMHO.

The MANOI AT01 has fewer DOF and it isn't obvious that Kyosho/Kondo will come out with a similar leg DOF option in the future, though they are hinting about some option announcements that will be made next weekend at the Athlete Humanoid Cup competition here. Still, the AT01:

1- Uses the 4024S-HV servos throughout. The 4024 rotational range is 260 degrees versus the 180 degree range for the 788/786 servos. Since the 4024 dimensions/fit are identical to both the 4014 and 4013 servos, you can upgrade the servos to improve the torque by up to 4X without making any frame or body modifications. To do the same thing with the KHR-2HV or KHR-1HV you have to design and fabricate new frames.

2- The standard AT01 can be upgraded to add an additional DOF to each arm, and also hip rotation by simply adding the additional servos and some minor parts. It's all designed in and documented in the manual.

I'm planning to stop by Robo-Spot tomorrow evening since there's a robot soccer competition scheduled. They will definitely have the KHR-1HV doing some demos, so I'll see what other information I can dig up. 8O
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RCB-3 vs RCB-3J

Post by Bob » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:49 pm

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Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:49 pm

Can anybody tell me the difference between the RCB-3 and the 3J?

In the same theme, has anybody started to seriously understand the RCB-3 for purposes of writing alternatives to H2H? I have started analyzing the requirements, but I'm not a hardware guy so it's kind of heavy going trying to understand what the 3 "sets" are for in ICS mode.

Is there any interest in starting an RCB-3 section of the forum to share info?
Can anybody tell me the difference between the RCB-3 and the 3J?

In the same theme, has anybody started to seriously understand the RCB-3 for purposes of writing alternatives to H2H? I have started analyzing the requirements, but I'm not a hardware guy so it's kind of heavy going trying to understand what the 3 "sets" are for in ICS mode.

Is there any interest in starting an RCB-3 section of the forum to share info?
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Post by NullARC » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:03 pm

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Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:03 pm

Interesting discovery... if you look on the PDF catalog for the 1HV (http://www.kondo-robot.com/pdf/07KONDO_catalog_S.pdf) on page 5 there is a picture on the right hand side of body parts that can be added ala the Manoi AT-01. I like them a bit better than the AT-01's body. They look less cartoonish. More like a "manly" robot! LOL :D It looks like it is designated for the 2KH, but it probably work with the 1HV.

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More eye candy... :D :D

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Interesting discovery... if you look on the PDF catalog for the 1HV (http://www.kondo-robot.com/pdf/07KONDO_catalog_S.pdf) on page 5 there is a picture on the right hand side of body parts that can be added ala the Manoi AT-01. I like them a bit better than the AT-01's body. They look less cartoonish. More like a "manly" robot! LOL :D It looks like it is designated for the 2KH, but it probably work with the 1HV.

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More eye candy... :D :D

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Post by tempusmaster » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:19 pm

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NullArc wrote:I like them a bit better than the AT-01's body. They look less cartoonish. More like a "manly" robot! LOL :D It looks like it is designated for the 2KH, but it probably work with the 1HV.

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Personally, I like the new Kondo shells a little better than the AT01 body too, but some folks have pointed out that the Kondo body looks a lot like the face of the metallic robot cat from Tom & Jerry, while the head resembles a computer mouse. 8O
NullArc wrote:I like them a bit better than the AT-01's body. They look less cartoonish. More like a "manly" robot! LOL :D It looks like it is designated for the 2KH, but it probably work with the 1HV.

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Personally, I like the new Kondo shells a little better than the AT01 body too, but some folks have pointed out that the Kondo body looks a lot like the face of the metallic robot cat from Tom & Jerry, while the head resembles a computer mouse. 8O
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Post by heke » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:48 am

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Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:48 am

Some information and videos of KHR-1HV:

http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/co ... 2/292.html
Some information and videos of KHR-1HV:

http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/co ... 2/292.html
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Post by srobot » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:44 pm

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Hi,
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I like it!!! Will it be for sale in the USA?

thanks
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Hi,
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I like it!!! Will it be for sale in the USA?

thanks
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Post by limor » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:13 am

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Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:13 am

I like it!!! Will it be for sale in the USA?
sure, once it is for sale in Japan. :)
I like it!!! Will it be for sale in the USA?
sure, once it is for sale in Japan. :)
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Post by srobot » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:18 pm

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Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:18 pm

Hi,
So I gess it will be in the USA in January and any time now in JP? :D :D

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So I gess it will be in the USA in January and any time now in JP? :D :D

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