by hivemind » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:38 pm
by hivemind
Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:38 pm
CapnCrunch4Fun wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure what is wrong with my social mannerisms?
All I've done is post alternative ideas in the forum and then a few of the users turn into piranha and start attcking me and my ideas.
When I try to defend myself here the only response back is more attacks.
This is a forum, a place where people can post ideas, and others will comment and criticize. It seems to me that you are spending more time defending your ideas then actually working on them or trying to show their benefits - perhaps you should work on listening more to make your idea the best it can be. Furthermore, perhaps you should demonstrate your product before trying to sell it - how can you plan to sell something with no examples of how it works?
I also don't understand how attacking other forum members (specifically Scotty) and calling them liars helps. - especially if you are only defending yourself... Perhaps this is one of those skewed social mannerisms? In any case, if you are trying to sell a product, I think you should be more concerned in building trust then starting an argument over the internet - as that surely will not sell products.
So since the topic seems to have wandered off a bit, I will add my own analysis of your LiPo feet.
Lets start with with positive:
Having LiPos in the robot adds a much needed battery life.
It lowers the center of gravity to make the robot more stable.
They remain the same xy-size (footprint).
And the not so positive (imo):
By having LiPos in the feet, the balance can be thrown far off when trying to walk.
The extra weight at the end of the leg can cause extra stress to all of the leg servos
There must be another extra wire coming up from the foot to the hip section of the robot
Added height in the foot can cause the robot to have less balance, and also will cause the foot rotation angle to be offset
By having such a weight in the foot, they actually make the robot less humanoid than before (by definition...as humans don't have heavy feet nor do we store excessive energy in them)
Of course things could be added to either list, but I believe that what I have up here is a reasonably fair assessment. So my conclusion (as I have already stated) would be that since these feet make the robot less humanoid, ergo I would not put them on my own robot. I have seen other robots with LiPos in their feet, and imo they did not work as well because it is a lot harder to move then entire leg with the LiPo's weight in the foot.
CaptKil4Fun wrote:If you think that a RoboNova-1 is like a live person that is a nice fantasy, but the reality is; a functional robot is worth a hell of a lot more than a fantasy.
Hmm, I don't think that this means we shouldn't try to get our humanoid robots as humanlike as possible though... While I agree that the RN-1 is far from being a human, it can be 'like' one in the sense that weight is distributed similarly, it moves in a similar fashion and can interact with its environment much in the same way people do.
-Hive
CapnCrunch4Fun wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure what is wrong with my social mannerisms?
All I've done is post alternative ideas in the forum and then a few of the users turn into piranha and start attcking me and my ideas.
When I try to defend myself here the only response back is more attacks.
This is a forum, a place where people can post ideas, and others will comment and criticize. It seems to me that you are spending more time defending your ideas then actually working on them or trying to show their benefits - perhaps you should work on listening more to make your idea the best it can be. Furthermore, perhaps you should demonstrate your product before trying to sell it - how can you plan to sell something with no examples of how it works?
I also don't understand how attacking other forum members (specifically Scotty) and calling them liars helps. - especially if you are only defending yourself... Perhaps this is one of those skewed social mannerisms? In any case, if you are trying to sell a product, I think you should be more concerned in building trust then starting an argument over the internet - as that surely will not sell products.
So since the topic seems to have wandered off a bit, I will add my own analysis of your LiPo feet.
Lets start with with positive:
Having LiPos in the robot adds a much needed battery life.
It lowers the center of gravity to make the robot more stable.
They remain the same xy-size (footprint).
And the not so positive (imo):
By having LiPos in the feet, the balance can be thrown far off when trying to walk.
The extra weight at the end of the leg can cause extra stress to all of the leg servos
There must be another extra wire coming up from the foot to the hip section of the robot
Added height in the foot can cause the robot to have less balance, and also will cause the foot rotation angle to be offset
By having such a weight in the foot, they actually make the robot less humanoid than before (by definition...as humans don't have heavy feet nor do we store excessive energy in them)
Of course things could be added to either list, but I believe that what I have up here is a reasonably fair assessment. So my conclusion (as I have already stated) would be that since these feet make the robot less humanoid, ergo I would not put them on my own robot. I have seen other robots with LiPos in their feet, and imo they did not work as well because it is a lot harder to move then entire leg with the LiPo's weight in the foot.
CaptKil4Fun wrote:If you think that a RoboNova-1 is like a live person that is a nice fantasy, but the reality is; a functional robot is worth a hell of a lot more than a fantasy.
Hmm, I don't think that this means we shouldn't try to get our humanoid robots as humanlike as possible though... While I agree that the RN-1 is far from being a human, it can be 'like' one in the sense that weight is distributed similarly, it moves in a similar fashion and can interact with its environment much in the same way people do.
-Hive